Hi,

Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?

I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.

Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.

: Hi,
:
: Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
:
: I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
:
: Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
:

Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
   printf("Program trial...");

   system("pause");
   return 0;
}

Take Care,
Ed

: : Hi,
: :
: : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: :
: : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: :
: : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: :
:
: Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
:
:

: #include <stdio.h>
: 
: int main()
: {
:    printf("Program trial...");
: 
:    system("pause");
:    return 0;
: }
: 

:
: Take Care,
: Ed
:
:

Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
Hopefully we have the same version of the software.

PS
Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest

: : : Hi,
: : :
: : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : :
: : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : :
: : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : :
: :
: : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: :
: :

: : #include <stdio.h>
: : 
: : int main()
: : {
: :    printf("Program trial...");
: : 
: :    system("pause");
: :    return 0;
: : }
: : 

: :
: : Take Care,
: : Ed
: :
: :
:
: Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
:
: PS
: Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
:


Not that many questions are related to program design, which is the main difference between the languages. C will have a place as long as there are programs that don't need OO design. I mean, C++ have some things that "looks" better than C, but generally the syntax is just as ugly.
Compare C++ with a language like Java and you will be embarrassed by the C++ syntax. The problem is just that you can't write any efficient programs in Java, or most people would have given up C/C++ long ago.

: : : Hi,
: : :
: : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : :
: : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : :
: : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : :
: :
: : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: :
: :

: : #include <stdio.h>
: : 
: : int main()
: : {
: :    printf("Program trial...");
: : 
: :    system("pause");
: :    return 0;
: : }
: : 

: :
: : Take Care,
: : Ed
: :
: :
:
: Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
:
: PS
: Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
:
:
Thanks, Ed!

BTW- C is part of my uni course-so as far as I'm concerned, C still has a place in the world!

Cheers,

J

: : : : Hi,
: : : :
: : : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : : :
: : : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : : :
: : : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : : :
: : :
: : : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: : :
: : :

: : : #include <stdio.h>
: : : 
: : : int main()
: : : {
: : :    printf("Program trial...");
: : : 
: : :    system("pause");
: : :    return 0;
: : : }
: : : 

: : :
: : : Take Care,
: : : Ed
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: : Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
: :
: : PS
: : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
: :
: :
: Thanks, Ed!
:
: BTW- C is part of my uni course-so as far as I'm concerned, C still has a place in the world!
:
: Cheers,
:
: J
:

It seems that if you have to work with C++ in the industry, using C is almost inevitable.
I have been at my new C++ part time job for two months, and the C++ written by the previous programmers has plenty of C like code in it (to my dismay), and it would seem from a C++ point of view that you cannot really have one without the other.
Also, maybe being an apprentice at a different company might be different, but where I am the boss is mostly on site, installing our building management system. As I understand, many clients (containing amongst other things the GUI functionality) can connect to a server, which can connect again to many Services. The reason for many services being that each should implement communication to a different hardware panel, each which has a different protocol for comms. But the server has been made in such a way that it would (probably) not have to be changed in order to communicate with a new service. My job is to make a service, for now at least. Now get this. I am not being told what to do. I have to take an existing service (and I am not even sure what the thing is doing), then figure out what part of the coding was done in order to integrate it seamlessly with the server, and what part has been done in order to solve that particular problem, then take that knowledge (the first half) and use it to implement my service. Or else I can pack my bag and go, I have been told. And also there is no documentation at all!! Does this seem fair?? I dont know, since this is my first C++ job, but when I worked with Cobol at least some people was willing to help(maybe they spoiled me?), now it is a do or die situation. If it is possible for me to figure out any code that is put in front of me, why dont I just phone NASA and ask them for a job now. Or maybe this is a small company kind of problem, but I feel like I am being treated very unfairly. Am I, or not?? Maybe I am not that well qualified, but in my defense I am being paid the equivalent of 3 US dollars an hour.

: : : : : Hi,
: : : : :
: : : : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : : : :
: : : : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : : : :
: : : : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: : : :
: : : :

: : : : #include <stdio.h>
: : : : 
: : : : int main()
: : : : {
: : : :    printf("Program trial...");
: : : : 
: : : :    system("pause");
: : : :    return 0;
: : : : }
: : : : 

: : : :
: : : : Take Care,
: : : : Ed
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: : : Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
: : :
: : : PS
: : : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
: : :
: : :
: : Thanks, Ed!
: :
: : BTW- C is part of my uni course-so as far as I'm concerned, C still has a place in the world!
: :
: : Cheers,
: :
: : J
: :
:
: It seems that if you have to work with C++ in the industry, using C is almost inevitable.
: I have been at my new C++ part time job for two months, and the C++ written by the previous programmers has plenty of C like code in it (to my dismay), and it would seem from a C++ point of view that you cannot really have one without the other.
: Also, maybe being an apprentice at a different company might be different, but where I am the boss is mostly on site, installing our building management system. As I understand, many clients (containing amongst other things the GUI functionality) can connect to a server, which can connect again to many Services. The reason for many services being that each should implement communication to a different hardware panel, each which has a different protocol for comms. But the server has been made in such a way that it would (probably) not have to be changed in order to communicate with a new service. My job is to make a service, for now at least. Now get this. I am not being told what to do. I have to take an existing service (and I am not even sure what the thing is doing), then figure out what part of the coding was done in order to integrate it seamlessly with the server, and what part has been done in order to solve that particular problem, then take that knowledge (the first half) and use it to implement my service. Or else I can pack my bag and go, I have been told. And also there is no documentation at all!! Does this seem fair?? I dont know, since this is my first C++ job, but when I worked with Cobol at least some people was willing to help(maybe they spoiled me?), now it is a do or die situation. If it is possible for me to figure out any code that is put in front of me, why dont I just phone NASA and ask them for a job now. Or maybe this is a small company kind of problem, but I feel like I am being treated very unfairly. Am I, or not?? Maybe I am not that well qualified, but in my defense I am being paid the equivalent of 3 US dollars an hour.
:
:
Some sympathy at least would be nice?

: Some sympathy at least would be nice?
:

Alright... I'll give it a try... *huhum* Do they have comments in their code? Cause if not, that is truly terrible!

Greets...
Richard

: : : : : Hi,
: : : : :
: : : : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : : : :
: : : : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : : : :
: : : : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: : : :
: : : :

: : : : #include <stdio.h>
: : : : 
: : : : int main()
: : : : {
: : : :    printf("Program trial...");
: : : : 
: : : :    system("pause");
: : : :    return 0;
: : : : }
: : : : 

: : : :
: : : : Take Care,
: : : : Ed
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: : : Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
: : :
: : : PS
: : : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
: : :
: : :
: : Thanks, Ed!
: :
: : BTW- C is part of my uni course-so as far as I'm concerned, C still has a place in the world!
: :
: : Cheers,
: :
: : J
: :
:
: It seems that if you have to work with C++ in the industry, using C is almost inevitable.
: I have been at my new C++ part time job for two months, and the C++ written by the previous programmers has plenty of C like code in it (to my dismay), and it would seem from a C++ point of view that you cannot really have one without the other.
: Also, maybe being an apprentice at a different company might be different, but where I am the boss is mostly on site, installing our building management system. As I understand, many clients (containing amongst other things the GUI functionality) can connect to a server, which can connect again to many Services. The reason for many services being that each should implement communication to a different hardware panel, each which has a different protocol for comms. But the server has been made in such a way that it would (probably) not have to be changed in order to communicate with a new service. My job is to make a service, for now at least. Now get this. I am not being told what to do. I have to take an existing service (and I am not even sure what the thing is doing), then figure out what part of the coding was done in order to integrate it seamlessly with the server, and what part has been done in order to solve that particular problem, then take that knowledge (the first half) and use it to implement my service. Or else I can pack my bag and go, I have been told. And also there is no documentation at all!! Does this seem fair?? I dont know, since this is my first C++ job, but when I worked with Cobol at least some people was willing to help(maybe they spoiled me?), now it is a do or die situation. If it is possible for me to figure out any code that is put in front of me, why dont I just phone NASA and ask them for a job now. Or maybe this is a small company kind of problem, but I feel like I am being treated very unfairly. Am I, or not?? Maybe I am not that well qualified, but in my defense I am being paid the equivalent of 3 US dollars an hour.
:
:

That is making me think twice about getting a degree in computer science. I like to program but I don't like to work 12hrs or more a day 7 days a week programming on something, boring! I would eventually go insane. I'm now thinking of getting a degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering instead, since I am more interested in designing and making hardware than programming software. The job outlook looks better since alot of these CS jobs are going overseas. I was even thinking of taking it a step further and going into Biomedical Engineering which is booming from what I have read.

: :
:
: That is making me think twice about getting a degree in computer science. I like to program but I don't like to work 12hrs or more a day 7 days a week programming on something, boring! I would eventually go insane. I'm now thinking of getting a degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering instead, since I am more interested in designing and making hardware than programming software. The job outlook looks better since alot of these CS jobs are going overseas. I was even thinking of taking it a step further and going into Biomedical Engineering which is booming from what I have read.
:
:
:

whatever you do, do something you enjoy doing. I know of no one in USA that makes only $3.00USD/hour -- that isn't even minimum wages and you can make more money flipping hamburgers at McDonalds's. Which is probably why many US companies outsource to other countries like India where wages are a fraction of those in USA.

If you work 12 hours/day 7 days a week then you are little more than a slave to your employer. Get a life, and get a different job because you will kill yourself in a few short years, and for what? Your employer will not give a shi$ about you when you are dead from overwork.

: If you work 12 hours/day 7 days a week then you are little more than a slave to your employer. Get a life, and get a different job because you will kill yourself in a few short years, and for what? Your employer will not give a shi$ about you when you are dead from overwork.
:
:


Amen to that, if I had to work those hours I would go nuts from some of the horror stories I have come across. I value my free time too much to give it up like that.

: : : : : : Hi,
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : : : : :
: : : : : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: : : : :
: : : : :

: : : : : #include <stdio.h>
: : : : : 
: : : : : int main()
: : : : : {
: : : : :    printf("Program trial...");
: : : : : 
: : : : :    system("pause");
: : : : :    return 0;
: : : : : }
: : : : : 

: : : : :
: : : : : Take Care,
: : : : : Ed
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: : : : Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
: : : :
: : : : PS
: : : : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
: : : :
: : : :
: : : Thanks, Ed!
: : :
: : : BTW- C is part of my uni course-so as far as I'm concerned, C still has a place in the world!
: : :
: : : Cheers,
: : :
: : : J
: : :
: :
: : It seems that if you have to work with C++ in the industry, using C is almost inevitable.
: : I have been at my new C++ part time job for two months, and the C++ written by the previous programmers has plenty of C like code in it (to my dismay), and it would seem from a C++ point of view that you cannot really have one without the other.
: : Also, maybe being an apprentice at a different company might be different, but where I am the boss is mostly on site, installing our building management system. As I understand, many clients (containing amongst other things the GUI functionality) can connect to a server, which can connect again to many Services. The reason for many services being that each should implement communication to a different hardware panel, each which has a different protocol for comms. But the server has been made in such a way that it would (probably) not have to be changed in order to communicate with a new service. My job is to make a service, for now at least. Now get this. I am not being told what to do. I have to take an existing service (and I am not even sure what the thing is doing), then figure out what part of the coding was done in order to integrate it seamlessly with the server, and what part has been done in order to solve that particular problem, then take that knowledge (the first half) and use it to implement my service. Or else I can pack my bag and go, I have been told. And also there is no documentation at all!! Does this seem fair?? I don’t know, since this is my first C++ job, but when I worked with Cobol at least some people was willing to help(maybe they spoiled me?), now it is a do or die situation. If it is possible for me to figure out any code that is put in front of me, why dont I just phone NASA and ask them for a job now. Or maybe this is a small company kind of problem, but I feel like I am being treated very unfairly. Am I, or not?? Maybe I am not that well qualified, but in my defense I am being paid the equivalent of 3 US dollars an hour.
: :
: :
:
: That is making me think twice about getting a degree in computer science. I like to program but I don't like to work 12hrs or more a day 7 days a week programming on something, boring! I would eventually go insane. I'm now thinking of getting a degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering instead, since I am more interested in designing and making hardware than programming software. The job outlook looks better since alot of these CS jobs are going overseas. I was even thinking of taking it a step further and going into Biomedical Engineering which is booming from what I have read.
:
:
:

Maintaining old program is always more boring than writing new ones.
And if you are unlucky, the original program was written by a lousy programmer. The trick is to make your boss/customer to understand that.
Someone said that a program won't be better than the least skilled programmer involved in it, and that is often true. If the person who made the original program didn't think about future extentions, then what can you do?

: : : : : : : Hi,
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : Was wondering whether anyone could explain how to keep the console window open after program compiling and execution?
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : I am running winXP sp1, and have specified my C project to open to console, but it won't open, just breifly 'flash'.
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : Humble thanks from a complete programming newb.
: : : : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Try putting a system call to "pause" just prior to your return before the closing bracket in the main() function, like this:
: : : : : :
: : : : : :

: : : : : : #include <stdio.h>
: : : : : : 
: : : : : : int main()
: : : : : : {
: : : : : :    printf("Program trial...");
: : : : : : 
: : : : : :    system("pause");
: : : : : :    return 0;
: : : : : : }
: : : : : : 

: : : : : :
: : : : : : Take Care,
: : : : : : Ed
: : : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Tools, Environment Options, then check CONSOLE WINDOW REMAINS OPEN.
: : : : : Hopefully we have the same version of the software.
: : : : :
: : : : : PS
: : : : : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : Thanks, Ed!
: : : :
: : : : BTW- C is part of my uni course-so as far as I'm concerned, C still has a place in the world!
: : : :
: : : : Cheers,
: : : :
: : : : J
: : : :
: : :
: : : It seems that if you have to work with C++ in the industry, using C is almost inevitable.
: : : I have been at my new C++ part time job for two months, and the C++ written by the previous programmers has plenty of C like code in it (to my dismay), and it would seem from a C++ point of view that you cannot really have one without the other.
: : : Also, maybe being an apprentice at a different company might be different, but where I am the boss is mostly on site, installing our building management system. As I understand, many clients (containing amongst other things the GUI functionality) can connect to a server, which can connect again to many Services. The reason for many services being that each should implement communication to a different hardware panel, each which has a different protocol for comms. But the server has been made in such a way that it would (probably) not have to be changed in order to communicate with a new service. My job is to make a service, for now at least. Now get this. I am not being told what to do. I have to take an existing service (and I am not even sure what the thing is doing), then figure out what part of the coding was done in order to integrate it seamlessly with the server, and what part has been done in order to solve that particular problem, then take that knowledge (the first half) and use it to implement my service. Or else I can pack my bag and go, I have been told. And also there is no documentation at all!! Does this seem fair?? I don’t know, since this is my first C++ job, but when I worked with Cobol at least some people was willing to help(maybe they spoiled me?), now it is a do or die situation. If it is possible for me to figure out any code that is put in front of me, why dont I just phone NASA and ask them for a job now. Or maybe this is a small company kind of problem, but I feel like I am being treated very unfairly. Am I, or not?? Maybe I am not that well qualified, but in my defense I am being paid the equivalent of 3 US dollars an hour.
: : :
: : :
: :
: : That is making me think twice about getting a degree in computer science. I like to program but I don't like to work 12hrs or more a day 7 days a week programming on something, boring! I would eventually go insane. I'm now thinking of getting a degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering instead, since I am more interested in designing and making hardware than programming software. The job outlook looks better since alot of these CS jobs are going overseas. I was even thinking of taking it a step further and going into Biomedical Engineering which is booming from what I have read.
: :
: :
: :
:
: Maintaining old program is always more boring than writing new ones.
: And if you are unlucky, the original program was written by a lousy programmer. The trick is to make your boss/customer to understand that.
: Someone said that a program won't be better than the least skilled programmer involved in it, and that is often true. If the person who made the original program didn't think about future extentions, then what can you do?
:
:
Ok guys, thank you for the sympathy, even if it took so long!! I was beginning to get worried.
Moneywise the situation is not as dire; I have another part time job as tutor that pays more. At first I even offered to work for free, the main idea being getting some C++ work experience as to compliment my studies. But (and I knew this beforehand), there is a hell of a difference between development and maintenance. Maintenance is made much worse by lack of proper documentation, or no one knowing anything about the system (because those who do has left for more money). My problem is that this kind of work really sucks big time, but apparently many programmers suffer the same fate. I would feel that the kind of assignments I am getting is better suited to highly advanced programmers than to me, the junior. And STOBER, as for doing what you like, for me it is more a case of doing what I hate least. Everyone has to work.
Have a nice day everyone!

: : : : : : PS
: : : : : : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest

C has a place in those little projects called operating systems...


: Ok guys, thank you for the sympathy, even if it took so long!! I was beginning to get worried.
: Moneywise the situation is not as dire; I have another part time job as tutor that pays more. At first I even offered to work for free, the main idea being getting some C++ work experience as to compliment my studies. But (and I knew this beforehand), there is a hell of a difference between development and maintenance. Maintenance is made much worse by lack of proper documentation, or no one knowing anything about the system (because those who do has left for more money). My problem is that this kind of work really sucks big time, but apparently many programmers suffer the same fate. I would feel that the kind of assignments I am getting is better suited to highly advanced programmers than to me, the junior. And STOBER, as for doing what you like, for me it is more a case of doing what I hate least. Everyone has to work.
: Have a nice day everyone!


Good call on doing "what you hate least"... I don't want everyone to get discouraged about programming jobs... My job is very satisfying and enjoyable (been here about 3 months now)... My projects are cool and keep me really busy -- I hardly notice that I'm here for 8.5-9 hours a day... But I agree, no matter how much you like a job, working just sucks in general... But at least I don't dread going to work every day... So maybe that brings some hope to you guys...

Also, speaking of C's place in the world, many times if you're using C++ at your job, there will be lots of legacy C code involved... I have to mix my new C++ code with a bunch of legacy C code that was written long before my time here...

:
: : : : : : : PS
: : : : : : : Why do I spot so much C on the forum? Is C++ not supposed to replace C, or does C still have a place in the world. As soon as I see printf or scanf I kind of lose interest
:
: C has a place in those little projects called operating systems...
:
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: : Ok guys, thank you for the sympathy, even if it took so long!! I was beginning to get worried.
: : Moneywise the situation is not as dire; I have another part time job as tutor that pays more. At first I even offered to work for free, the main idea being getting some C++ work experience as to compliment my studies. But (and I knew this beforehand), there is a hell of a difference between development and maintenance. Maintenance is made much worse by lack of proper documentation, or no one knowing anything about the system (because those who do has left for more money). My problem is that this kind of work really sucks big time, but apparently many programmers suffer the same fate. I would feel that the kind of assignments I am getting is better suited to highly advanced programmers than to me, the junior. And STOBER, as for doing what you like, for me it is more a case of doing what I hate least. Everyone has to work.
: : Have a nice day everyone!
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: Good call on doing "what you hate least"... I don't want everyone to get discouraged about programming jobs... My job is very satisfying and enjoyable (been here about 3 months now)... My projects are cool and keep me really busy -- I hardly notice that I'm here for 8.5-9 hours a day... But I agree, no matter how much you like a job, working just sucks in general... But at least I don't dread going to work every day... So maybe that brings some hope to you guys...
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: Also, speaking of C's place in the world, many times if you're using C++ at your job, there will be lots of legacy C code involved... I have to mix my new C++ code with a bunch of legacy C code that was written long before my time here...

u guys make me worried! i am a computer science student. dont know what will happen in my future. i like programming in C/C++ very much, but also dont wanna stick to it most of the time! in my country (Bangladesh) the job market doesnt offer much for the programmers as in other developing country! dont know where i am going to...

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: That is making me think twice about getting a degree in computer science. I like to program but I don't like to work 12hrs or more a day 7 days a week programming on something, boring! I would eventually go insane. I'm now thinking of getting a degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering instead, since I am more interested in designing and making hardware than programming software. The job outlook looks better since alot of these CS jobs are going overseas. I was even thinking of taking it a step further and going into Biomedical Engineering which is booming from what I have read.
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If you are interested in electronics, and you clearly have knowledge and interest in programming, then you can't beat a career as a Control Systems Engineer. It is a marriage of Electrical Engineering and programming. There is something really cool about watching your own software/electrical design run machinery.

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: : That is making me think twice about getting a degree in computer science. I like to program but I don't like to work 12hrs or more a day 7 days a week programming on something, boring! I would eventually go insane. I'm now thinking of getting a degree in Electrical/Electronics Engineering instead, since I am more interested in designing and making hardware than programming software. The job outlook looks better since alot of these CS jobs are going overseas. I was even thinking of taking it a step further and going into Biomedical Engineering which is booming from what I have read.
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: If you are interested in electronics, and you clearly have knowledge and interest in programming, then you can't beat a career as a Control Systems Engineer. It is a marriage of Electrical Engineering and programming. There is something really cool about watching your own software/electrical design run machinery.
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It is definitely on the table. I was thinking of doing something similiar. I figured going into Electrical/Electronic engineering, I could get the best of both worlds. I'm taking a electrical class now and I'm 'giddy as a school girl' , as they say, since we have started building circuits and such. I would recommend it to anyone that has a fascination, as I do, with the lower level of hardware in a computer.

Hi guys

Finally it seems my big mouth has caught up with me again. I have been sacked from my part time C++ job, and I would not be surprised if my now ex boss has been reading my posts on programmers heaven, because he sited them being a small company with little or no documentation, and his reasons just seemed a little too close to what I said earlier in this post.
I have been there for little over two months, working only every second day, so in effect you could say I worked for a month on the project. Even though I did not even know what polling a device or panel meant, I read up on the internet about various related subjects and eventually managed to produce a simple prototype, before being given instruction to analyze the complex undocumented uncommented code.
It all seems like a kind of twilight zone story to me.
The owner said take as long as you want to figure out the job, it normally takes about 18 months to become proficient. My boss became impatient after in effect a month of labor from my side, saying he is looking for someone with more advanced skills.
The owner said they prefer people with little or no practical experience, as they are not yet set in their ways and can be trained in the companys ways. Upon my dismissal on Wednesday my boss said I should be paying the company to train me.
On various occasions I have asked the boss to confirm my usage of a serial class I used to work with the serial port, and he never had time, yet my way of doing the serial port thing was one of the first things criticized.
So over a period of two months I basically had no support or real training, as the other programmers did not seem to like showing up at work too often(yes somehow miraculously they were all there when I got sacked), once again lots of false promises has been made by management, and what was put to me as facts has been turned around completely and used against me in the end.
Clearly someone there has $hit for brains. Hope the boss reads this.
What has the experience been like for those of you doing this job for a long time? Positive? And how did you manage to enter the job market? Did you get training or mentorship at the new job, or were you left on your own?
Well thanks for listening. Hope I did not offend anyone(except my ex boss of course).
Regards

: Hi guys
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: Finally it seems my big mouth has caught up with me again. I have been sacked from my part time C++ job, and I would not be surprised if my now ex boss has been reading my posts on programmers heaven, because he sited them being a small company with little or no documentation, and his reasons just seemed a little too close to what I said earlier in this post.
: I have been there for little over two months, working only every second day, so in effect you could say I worked for a month on the project. Even though I did not even know what polling a device or panel meant, I read up on the internet about various related subjects and eventually managed to produce a simple prototype, before being given instruction to analyze the complex undocumented uncommented code.
: It all seems like a kind of twilight zone story to me.
: The owner said take as long as you want to figure out the job, it normally takes about 18 months to become proficient. My boss became impatient after in effect a month of labor from my side, saying he is looking for someone with more advanced skills.
: The owner said they prefer people with little or no practical experience, as they are not yet set in their ways and can be trained in the companys ways. Upon my dismissal on Wednesday my boss said I should be paying the company to train me.
: On various occasions I have asked the boss to confirm my usage of a serial class I used to work with the serial port, and he never had time, yet my way of doing the serial port thing was one of the first things criticized.
: So over a period of two months I basically had no support or real training, as the other programmers did not seem to like showing up at work too often(yes somehow miraculously they were all there when I got sacked), once again lots of false promises has been made by management, and what was put to me as facts has been turned around completely and used against me in the end.
: Clearly someone there has $hit for brains. Hope the boss reads this.
: What has the experience been like for those of you doing this job for a long time? Positive? And how did you manage to enter the job market? Did you get training or mentorship at the new job, or were you left on your own?
: Well thanks for listening. Hope I did not offend anyone(except my ex boss of course).
: Regards
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I feel for ya there guy, but you have to realize that there is going to be some people who you work under that doesn't know too much about what they are doing. It is best to move on to bigger and better things and write this one down as a learning experience. Besides this might be the best thing that could of happened to you. You might land a even better job with better pay. My wife quit a job where the people were treating her like crap and she got a better job, paying nearly 1.5x, with better benefits, and works with great people. Good luck in whatever you do and keep your chin up!

: : Hi guys
: :
: : Finally it seems my big mouth has caught up with me again. I have been sacked from my part time C++ job, and I would not be surprised if my now ex boss has been reading my posts on programmers heaven, because he sited them being a small company with little or no documentation, and his reasons just seemed a little too close to what I said earlier in this post.
: : I have been there for little over two months, working only every second day, so in effect you could say I worked for a month on the project. Even though I did not even know what polling a device or panel meant, I read up on the internet about various related subjects and eventually managed to produce a simple prototype, before being given instruction to analyze the complex undocumented uncommented code.
: : It all seems like a kind of twilight zone story to me.
: : The owner said take as long as you want to figure out the job, it normally takes about 18 months to become proficient. My boss became impatient after in effect a month of labor from my side, saying he is looking for someone with more advanced skills.
: : The owner said they prefer people with little or no practical experience, as they are not yet set in their ways and can be trained in the companys ways. Upon my dismissal on Wednesday my boss said I should be paying the company to train me.
: : On various occasions I have asked the boss to confirm my usage of a serial class I used to work with the serial port, and he never had time, yet my way of doing the serial port thing was one of the first things criticized.
: : So over a period of two months I basically had no support or real training, as the other programmers did not seem to like showing up at work too often(yes somehow miraculously they were all there when I got sacked), once again lots of false promises has been made by management, and what was put to me as facts has been turned around completely and used against me in the end.
: : Clearly someone there has $hit for brains. Hope the boss reads this.
: : What has the experience been like for those of you doing this job for a long time? Positive? And how did you manage to enter the job market? Did you get training or mentorship at the new job, or were you left on your own?
: : Well thanks for listening. Hope I did not offend anyone(except my ex boss of course).
: : Regards
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: I feel for ya there guy, but you have to realize that there is going to be some people who you work under that doesn't know too much about what they are doing. It is best to move on to bigger and better things and write this one down as a learning experience. Besides this might be the best thing that could of happened to you. You might land a even better job with better pay. My wife quit a job where the people were treating her like crap and she got a better job, paying nearly 1.5x, with better benefits, and works with great people. Good luck in whatever you do and keep your chin up!
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First of all my apologies to ElJono, for turning his post into my crying game.
I just feel very disappointed with what happened. I mean the people actually promised to stick by me however long it takes, then turned on me like a dog with rabies days later.
My ex boss definitely has a handle on C++ and Windows, but still refusing me any real help does not really make sense. I may be a bit slow on the uptake, like when I started a four year stint as a Cobol programmer in 1997, but after a year or two I was writing more complex systems than any of the so-called better students that started with me, and was rivaling people with more than ten years experience at the job. We worked together as a team and in the end their investment in me paid of. Surely you should realize that someone with no C++ work experience will need some mentoring and maybe do some pair programming with others as to get up to speed, but this also I feel is an investment that would have paid off. It is probably best to move past this quickly, but anyone will have a hard time convincing me that I was being treated fairly.
Any advice would be welcome.
Regards