I am 15 and I know a little of C++ and python. I know HTML. I was wondering if any of you knew how to hack and where i could learn to hack. I dont nesicerally mean to hack into like the FBI but like the basics. Also, I was wondering what is the best language to know if I wanted to start hacking?

: I am 15 and I know a little of C++ and python. I know HTML. I was wondering if any of you knew how to hack and where i could learn to hack. I dont nesicerally mean to hack into like the FBI but like the basics. Also, I was wondering what is the best language to know if I wanted to start hacking?

First, I recommend becoming familiar with search engines like Google. You'd be surprised at what you can find with the right keywords.

Second, "hacking" is an oft-abused term that doesn't really mean what you think it means, but I'll spare you a diatribe because I doubt you'd pay attention to it anyways.

Third, it depends on what you want to do. Since "hack" doesn't mean to me what it appears to mean to you I have no idea what it is you want to do.

I would say that having a good understanding of C is essential since important programs like Linux are written in C.

There are a couple of books I am familiar with, I believe they are titled "Ethical Hacking" and "Steal This Computer Book II". There's also the magazine "2600". I haven't read any of these, but I flip through them at the bookstore now and then and they seem good.

It takes talent and creativity to be a true hacker, not just the know-how or tools to break into systems. Hacking is more like art. If all you want to do is wield power over other people by DDoS'ing them or cracking their passwords then I'm not going to help you with that. There are plenty of ways you can wreak juvenile havoc on cyberspace.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.


infidel

I just want to further my education in computer programming. Can you show me a place where I can learn easily? Also, should I stick with Windows or try Linux?

: I just want to further my education in computer programming. Can you show me a place where I can learn easily? Also, should I stick with Windows or try Linux?

Ah, well in that case, welcome aboard! I apologize if I was condescending. I just cringe when I see people saying things like "I wanna be a hacker".

There are lots of places to learn from. It all depends on what you want to do.

I personally would say that Linux is a true "hacker's OS". Windows is important to know because it's so pervasive, but if you really want to get into programming, Linux is a good bet. Partly because Linux doesn't try to hold your hand like Windows does. If you want to do something in Linux, sometimes you have to do it yourself.

So what are you interested in?


infidel

I want to know a lot about programming, and that is probably what I want to be when I grow up. I was just saying hacking because it can help my education in programming, and I can see how programs work and can be changed. And honestly it would just be awesome to be able to hack. I was wondering if I should learn python, C++, or both. Should I have Linux on one computer and windows on another? Also, is it possible to hack with windows? Do you know any good books and preferably web sites that have good tutorials? Thanks

: I want to know a lot about programming, and that is probably what I want to be when I grow up. I was just saying hacking because it can help my education in programming, and I can see how programs work and can be changed. And honestly it would just be awesome to be able to hack. I was wondering if I should learn python, C++, or both. Should I have Linux on one computer and windows on another? Also, is it possible to hack with windows? Do you know any good books and preferably web sites that have good tutorials? Thanks

Please define "hack" for me as you understand it so I know where you're coming from. To me, hacking is being clever and creative when programming and coming up with elegant solutions. Here is an article about it from Richard Stallman, a man you should learn about if you're going to be a hacker: http://www.stallman.org/on-hacking.html.

Another way I try to describe it to people is that hacking is like art. An artist does what s/he does for the love of doing it, not because the result is "useful", but because they have certain ideas they want to try or techniques they want to utilize. So to me, there is no difference between "hacking" and "programming" other than perhaps motivation and talent.

You should learn as many languages as you feel comfortable with. Python is a very excellent language. Probably my current favorite. C++ is good to know because many programs are written in it, even Windows. If you have a decent computer you can have both Linux and Windows on it.

Is it possible to hack with Windows? No. Windows is just an operating system with a graphical shell. To hack you need at least a compiler. That is not to say you can't hack windows, though, there are many ways to exploit its vulnerabilities if you are so inclined. In reality any piece of software can be "hacked" if what you're talking about is getting the source code or just breaking in to it. Some is more difficult than others. Some isn't worth the effort.

You can find plenty of hacker sites. Just search Google. I can't visit most of them from work here because the network blocks hacking sites.




infidel

Some other message board told me about some NASM and assembly languages. Is this a good move or what language should I use? Please give me like a good tutorial and a prefered language and a prefered Linux or Windows. Thanks

: Some other message board told me about some NASM and assembly languages. Is this a good move or what language should I use? Please give me like a good tutorial and a prefered language and a prefered Linux or Windows. Thanks

Assembly is good to know. I wish I knew it. I try to teach myself every now and then but it's a fairly dense subject. I haven't found any really good tutorials on NASM that helped me get anywhere. Let me know if you spot any.

Steve Gibson is another guy I would call a true hacker. He writes everything in assembly, even Windows programs. He has a couple of good (but long) essays on his site about what he did when his servers were attacked by hacker vandals. http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm and http://grc.com/dos/drdos.htm

Programming is sort of like the Force. There is a light side and a dark side. As you gain knowledge in programming and/or become a "hacker", you will gain an increasing amount of power over the systems and data of others. It's up to you whether you use that power for good or for evil. I hope you are mature enough to choose the former.

I can't recommend a "preferred" language in a "preferred" environment. I prefer python for many things, and I prefer Linux, but I have more experience using Visual Basic in Windows so in many ways my thinking is biased towards what I know. I do think that C is an important language to learn. Just a step above Assembly and much easier to understand.


infidel

OK I am going to try to learn python and C++. I also want to know if you know where I can download Linux and how I can use it while also having Windows on? I want to learn to use Linux but my family needs to use Windows if you understand. So I need three things please: download site, a tutorial, and how to run both and how to get back and forth between the two. Thanks

: OK I am going to try to learn python and C++. I also want to know if you know where I can download Linux and how I can use it while also having Windows on? I want to learn to use Linux but my family needs to use Windows if you understand. So I need three things please: download site, a tutorial, and how to run both and how to get back and forth between the two. Thanks

You can download Linux all over the internet. What you want, though, is a "distribution" of Linux like Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, or another (there are dozens). Mandrake is said to be fairly easy for new users, so maybe try them. Typically it comes with a program called LILO that allows you to pick an OS when your machine boots up so you can choose Linux or Windows. It's a good idea to back up your Windows hard drive just in case anyways.

Just do a search for Mandrake Linux.

Another option if you'd just like to play around a bit with Linux before trying to install it on your windows machine is Knoppix. You can download the Knoppix image and burn it to a CD and then you have a bootable CD that will run Linux from RAM without messing anything up on your hard drive. I have a Knoppix CD and it's pretty cool.

Unless you have something like VMWare (which is not free), I don't believe you can run multiple OSs at the same time. To switch you have to shutdown and reboot. Any of the distributions should have plenty of documentation and FAQs/tutorials available.


infidel

OK thanks. I was also wondering if you have an AOL IM name so maybe I can talk to you while youre at home or something. Thanks for everything. I am sure I'll have more questions.

: OK thanks. I was also wondering if you have an AOL IM name so maybe I can talk to you while youre at home or something. Thanks for everything. I am sure I'll have more questions.

Nope, sorry. I don't use AOL. I don't get online much at home anyways.


infidel

Do you know where I can get Knoppix for free or can you email it to me at z3r0c00l28@yahoo.com. Thanks

: Do you know where I can get Knoppix for free or can you email it to me at z3r0c00l28@yahoo.com. Thanks

Knoppix.net. You really should get familiar with Google.

It's 700MB so there's no way I'm going to email it.


infidel

When I was installing Mandrake, I have to choose patitioning. I dont know whether to use swap linux or linux native. Which one should I use with Windows?

Forget what I just said. I used create installation. And I gave windows about 845 MB and the rest auto. Now, when I reboot, a screen comes up letting me choose my OS. When I choose one of the Linuxes it's ok, but if I choose windows it says Starting Windows then a line of funky symbols then goes back to the choosing screen. Is there any way I can fix this? Please help

Hey, can I install windows games on Linux?

: : I am 15 and I know a little of C++ and python. I know HTML. I was wondering if any of you knew how to hack and where i could learn to hack. I dont nesicerally mean to hack into like the FBI but like the basics. Also, I was wondering what is the best language to know if I wanted to start hacking?
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: First, I recommend becoming familiar with search engines like Google. You'd be surprised at what you can find with the right keywords.
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: Second, "hacking" is an oft-abused term that doesn't really mean what you think it means, but I'll spare you a diatribe because I doubt you'd pay attention to it anyways.
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: Third, it depends on what you want to do. Since "hack" doesn't mean to me what it appears to mean to you I have no idea what it is you want to do.
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: I would say that having a good understanding of C is essential since important programs like Linux are written in C.
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: There are a couple of books I am familiar with, I believe they are titled "Ethical Hacking" and "Steal This Computer Book II". There's also the magazine "2600". I haven't read any of these, but I flip through them at the bookstore now and then and they seem good.
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: It takes talent and creativity to be a true hacker, not just the know-how or tools to break into systems. Hacking is more like art. If all you want to do is wield power over other people by DDoS'ing them or cracking their passwords then I'm not going to help you with that. There are plenty of ways you can wreak juvenile havoc on cyberspace.
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eheheheeheh i "hack" my friends and ppl i know with cool viruses and stuff, nothing that will hurt them though =D Like Backdoor, and things like that

What do you mean by hacking Infidel? The only way of "HACKING" is to crack passwords and stuff, isnt it?

www.lenshell.com has some of the programs i play with =D

Could u tell me what u mean by that?

Im stil trying to learn more about C++ and Python, but i just dont understand any of it =((((( HTML is a LOT easier
k

Pe@cE

: eheheheeheh i "hack" my friends and ppl i know with cool viruses and stuff, nothing that will hurt them though =D Like Backdoor, and things like that

Playing pranks on your friends is one thing. Vandalism or destruction is another.

: What do you mean by hacking Infidel? The only way of "HACKING" is to crack passwords and stuff, isnt it?

No, that would be cracking.

: Could u tell me what u mean by that?

Hackers are sort of like "computer artists". There are computer scientists, and there are programmers, and there are users, and there are those of us who program for the love of doing it. Hacking is being clever and playful, writing programs to discover how things work or to try new ideas or just for the heck of it. There's an element of talent in Hacking, like in fine art or music.

: Im stil trying to learn more about C++ and Python, but i just dont understand any of it =((((( HTML is a LOT easier

Yes, but HTML doesn't really DO anything. It just gives suggestions to other programs about what to do.

If you're having problems doing something in Python, that is why this forum is here.

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infidel

: : eheheheeheh i "hack" my friends and ppl i know with cool viruses and stuff, nothing that will hurt them though =D Like Backdoor, and things like that
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: Playing pranks on your friends is one thing. Vandalism or destruction is another.
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: : What do you mean by hacking Infidel? The only way of "HACKING" is to crack passwords and stuff, isnt it?
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: Hackers are sort of like "computer artists". There are computer scientists, and there are programmers, and there are users, and there are those of us who program for the love of doing it. Hacking is being clever and playful, writing programs to discover how things work or to try new ideas or just for the heck of it. There's an element of talent in Hacking, like in fine art or music.
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: : Im stil trying to learn more about C++ and Python, but i just dont understand any of it =((((( HTML is a LOT easier
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: Yes, but HTML doesn't really DO anything. It just gives suggestions to other programs about what to do.
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html is still cool!! =P
to me its the easiest
im working my HARDEST to get this programming stuff, its just too confoosing!!

maybe one day ill get it
k

Pe@cE

This thread was originally on the Python board but I moved it here because gtfan28 is a newbie to hacking and needs help setting up and configuring his Mandrake distro, help which I am unable to give him. Thank you.



infidel

: Forget what I just said. I used create installation. And I gave windows about 845 MB and the rest auto. Now, when I reboot, a screen comes up letting me choose my OS. When I choose one of the Linuxes it's ok, but if I choose windows it says Starting Windows then a line of funky symbols then goes back to the choosing screen. Is there any way I can fix this? Please help
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if you still have the problem ... please post some more details: windows version, windows partition type, what bootloader are you using and how it's configured, to start with.

: : Forget what I just said. I used create installation. And I gave windows about 845 MB and the rest auto. Now, when I reboot, a screen comes up letting me choose my OS. When I choose one of the Linuxes it's ok, but if I choose windows it says Starting Windows then a line of funky symbols then goes back to the choosing screen. Is there any way I can fix this? Please help

i remeber when using mandrake (long time ago) the partitoner couldnt rezize a partiton without deleting data. so, its not "way off" that this has happened to you.

but drop the windows i say. your family can use aol iw, irc, officeprograms etc in linux.

and for the gaming part, YES, you can install windows games and applications in linux. check out www.transgaming.com
the binary costs money, but the source is free.

and to be a REAL hacker, you must code all your programs in BASIC. :P

: and to be a REAL hacker, you must code all your programs in BASIC. :P

You've GOT to be kidding...



infidel

: : and to be a REAL hacker, you must code all your programs in BASIC. :P
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i truly am :)

You want to learn hacking?
The term "hacker" is nowadays often misrepresented. A "hacker" is one who likes to play around with software. A "cracker" however is one who is involved in breaking into computer systems, data theft, electronic sabotage etc. If you want to be able to get into people's home PC's a knowledge of VB is a good place to start. You can usually do this via means of an IM program (MSN Messenger for example). If you're talking about breaking into secure networks you're probabbly looking at C++ and a knowledge of Linux is good. Just remember that 95% of home PC's run SOME kind of Windows platform. Most networks these days are usually Linux or Unix. I'm by no means a "cracker", but certainly a "hacker". *lol* Hope this helps.

Regards
theos07

Of course the OS you must use is any UNIX based system. And try to improve your C/C++ knowledge. A basic assembly knowledge is necessary to understand how programs run, how memory is managed etc...And knowing the netwrok basics is also necessary!
visit http://linuxassmebly.org for more info about linux assembly
get some exploit code and see how bugs are used to write an exploit.
(make a web search for "buffer overflow"s)

Actually, the thing you want is not easy ;) There are lots of things for you. And you will realize that there are lots lots lots of things you don't know while learning new things.....


: I am 15 and I know a little of C++ and python. I know HTML. I was wondering if any of you knew how to hack and where i could learn to hack. I dont nesicerally mean to hack into like the FBI but like the basics. Also, I was wondering what is the best language to know if I wanted to start hacking?
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