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Anyone of you? Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 6:11 AM
Ey,

Is there anyone interested in the (private) project i am currently working on? If so, then i'll post some about it.

Greetz,


Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 6:16 AM

What kind of project?

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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 6:19 AM
Virus scanning


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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 6:49 AM
: Virus scanning
Are you trying to use VB for that? I don't think it'll work. Need something more sophisticated like C++, I believe. If you are going to use VB, I am in.
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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:01 AM
I use VB, but in the xmass holiday i'll try to learn C and it's equivallents. Well, for now it works perfectly well and loads the files at an enourmous speed! If the file is larger then 64kb it will chunk and load the chunks anyway into it's dynamic buffers.
I am only making the DLL kernel that provides the actual functionallity. Some Swedish guy is making the GUI. Ha, it was his idea to do this but h.

It will also be able to connect to some server that can provide online virus updates! Nice huh! Now i must quickly start my company and start my website so i can run a ADSL server!!

The arguments for the various function are dynamic as well. Example:

Function OpenFile (strFilePath as string)

if no filename is specified but a directory is, then the entire dir will be loaded into the memory.

ha, maybe it is not too fast afterall because of VB but i am pretty sure that it will NOT be my error!

: : Virus scanning
: Are you trying to use VB for that? I don't think it'll work. Need something more sophisticated like C++, I believe. If you are going to use VB, I am in.
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:26 AM
So, what you program does? Just looks for particular files(viruses) and deletes them? It's not big deal using FileSystemObject in VB. Does it clean the system? I mean mailboxes and stuff like that?



: I use VB, but in the xmass holiday i'll try to learn C and it's equivallents. Well, for now it works perfectly well and loads the files at an enourmous speed! If the file is larger then 64kb it will chunk and load the chunks anyway into it's dynamic buffers.
: I am only making the DLL kernel that provides the actual functionallity. Some Swedish guy is making the GUI. Ha, it was his idea to do this but h.
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: It will also be able to connect to some server that can provide online virus updates! Nice huh! Now i must quickly start my company and start my website so i can run a ADSL server!!
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: The arguments for the various function are dynamic as well. Example:
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: Function OpenFile (strFilePath as string)
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: if no filename is specified but a directory is, then the entire dir will be loaded into the memory.
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: ha, maybe it is not too fast afterall because of VB but i am pretty sure that it will NOT be my error!
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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by infidel on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:34 AM
: So, what you program does? Just looks for particular files(viruses) and deletes them? It's not big deal using FileSystemObject in VB. Does it clean the system? I mean mailboxes and stuff like that?

Isn't virus scanning more involved than just reading a file? I mean, there must be different ways of hiding a virus in a file. Or maybe not. I honestly don't know much about virii.

Personally I'd love to find a good python project to work on, or start my own, but I haven't thought of a good idea yet.
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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:40 AM
: Isn't virus scanning more involved than just reading a file? I mean, there must be different ways of hiding a virus in a file.

That's my question was about.
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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:33 AM
: I use VB, but in the xmass holiday i'll try to learn C and it's equivallents. Well, for now it works perfectly well and loads the files at an enourmous speed! If the file is larger then 64kb it will chunk and load the chunks anyway into it's dynamic buffers.
: I am only making the DLL kernel that provides the actual functionallity. Some Swedish guy is making the GUI. Ha, it was his idea to do this but h.

It looks like almost done. Why you are looking somebody else to be involved?

: It will also be able to connect to some server that can provide online virus updates! Nice huh! Now i must quickly start my company and start my website so i can run a ADSL server!!
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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:45 AM
: : I use VB, but in the xmass holiday i'll try to learn C and it's equivallents. Well, for now it works perfectly well and loads the files at an enourmous speed! If the file is larger then 64kb it will chunk and load the chunks anyway into it's dynamic buffers.
: : I am only making the DLL kernel that provides the actual functionallity. Some Swedish guy is making the GUI. Ha, it was his idea to do this but h.
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: It looks like almost done. Why you are for looking somebody else to be involved?
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: : It will also be able to connect to some server that can provide online virus updates! Nice huh! Now i must quickly start my company and start my website so i can run a ADSL server!!
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Re: Anyone of you? Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 7:55 AM
Well, it does not actually scan for virusses yet! I simply am not that far yet because there is more im my life than VB coding. I am programming bug free right now (havent encountered bugs yet) and that is the reason why i first want the shit to be loaded correctly and in its most efficient way BEFORE programming the scanner.

I have designed some very nice tricks to scan for those shitty virusses by using recurisve algo's and multi threading in VB 6.0! Ofcourse I dont use createthread because it can crash miserably in VB6.0

I am still thinking about implementing a neural network for scanning the virusses and to detect NEW virusses automatically.



: : : I use VB, but in the xmass holiday i'll try to learn C and it's equivallents. Well, for now it works perfectly well and loads the files at an enourmous speed! If the file is larger then 64kb it will chunk and load the chunks anyway into it's dynamic buffers.
: : : I am only making the DLL kernel that provides the actual functionallity. Some Swedish guy is making the GUI. Ha, it was his idea to do this but h.
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: : It looks like almost done. Why you are for looking somebody else to be involved?
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: : : It will also be able to connect to some server that can provide online virus updates! Nice huh! Now i must quickly start my company and start my website so i can run a ADSL server!!
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: : : Function OpenFile (strFilePath as string)
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: : : ha, maybe it is not too fast afterall because of VB but i am pretty sure that it will NOT be my error!
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Off topic board ...??? Does not sound like that ... Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 8:07 AM
This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 8:17:2

is the reason why i first want the shit to be loaded correctly and in its most efficient way BEFORE programming the scanner.

What do you mean "to be loaded corectly"? What is "not correctly loaded"? Loaded what and where?



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and furthermore Posted by infidel on 22 Oct 2002 at 9:19 AM
: This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 8:17:2

: is the reason why i first want the shit to be loaded correctly and in its most efficient way BEFORE programming the scanner.
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: What do you mean "to be loaded corectly"? What is "not correctly loaded"? Loaded what and where?

How do you know that the most "efficient" (by whose standards?) method of loading files will be the most convenient for scanning them for virii?
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Re: and furthermore Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 10:12 AM
This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 10:14:42

I think Mark, IT'S JUST MY ADVISE AND YOU SHOULD NOT FOLLOW IT, it'll better for you to read those two articles, which I found on Internet, before you continue, and possibly waist your time, to work on that project.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q285667&
http://online.securityfocus.com/infocus/1622



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There is more Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 10:34 AM
This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 10:39:32

I found one more article about virus scanning. May be it does not look very professional, there is no much information about programming, but I think it's useful a little bit.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/virus.htm


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Re: There is more Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 10:45 AM
I will read those articles.

About the efficiency, (this is before reading the article, could be fun)

I will try to decide which way to scan myself. I will also decide what's the most efficient way to do it. Will I use linair method? Or a pattern recognition method?? Or perhaps even a multi threading method that uses recursive algo's??? Nah, maybe a neural network, after i studied it a bit more????

All of these approaches have different results and might require sometimes formatted data. And that's what I love about programming. Actual this is not the real programming, programming is more me something like writing an email. The fun part about the actual programming is to find out how to translate difficult parts from my thoughts to my computer and interprete the computer's output.

: I found one more article about virus scanning
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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We're not talking about the actual 'programming' Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 10:47 AM
Read next post:

: This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 8:17:2

: is the reason why i first want the shit to be loaded correctly and in its most efficient way BEFORE programming the scanner.
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Re: We're not talking about the actual 'programming' Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 11:00 AM
: Read next post:
Stil waiting ...
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Re: We're not talking about the actual 'programming' Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 11:18 AM
wait wait wai and remember me about what i was talking about

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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: We're not talking about the actual 'programming' Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 12:27 PM
i am not joking.
I would always try to find a better solution and a faster one. Thats the challenge of the future.

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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: We're not talking about the actual 'programming' Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 12:28 PM
i am not joking.
I would always try to find a better solution and a faster one. Thats the challenge of the future.

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: : This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 8:17:2

: : is the reason why i first want the shit to be loaded correctly and in its most efficient way BEFORE programming the scanner.
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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DarQ is not joking Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 12:42 PM
This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 12:44:16

"i am not joking." That's good. In that case let me ask/rephrase my question. How are going to use VB to recognize/determine virus? I know about virii just a little, may be a little bit more than regular computer user. Nevertheless, I know there is one way to determine virus. It's reading the file background. I do not think, but not sure, that there is way to do that using VB. Do you know some other way to do that (determine virus) using VB? Please, answer me - do you or you do not?


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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 12:45 PM
Excuse me but i have never heard about the definition of background (processing/scanning) in this context. Please enlighten me! (?)

: This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 12:44:16

: "i am not joking." That's good. In that case let me ask/rephrase my question. How are going to use VB to recognize/determine virus? I know about virii just a little, may be a little bit more than regular computer user. Nevertheless, I know there is one way to determine virus. It's reading the file background. I do not think, but not sure, that there is way to do that using VB. Do you know some other way to do that (determine virus) using VB? Please, answer me - do you or you do not?
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 12:51 PM
Unfortunately, I do not know that much about this subject either. I've just read about this in some article a few years ago and may be I am not remember correctly. May be you need to "scann" some articles that I sent to you.

: Excuse me but i have never heard about the definition of background (processing/scanning) in this context. Please enlighten me! (?)
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: : This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-22 12:44:16

: : "i am not joking." That's good. In that case let me ask/rephrase my question. How are going to use VB to recognize/determine virus? I know about virii just a little, may be a little bit more than regular computer user. Nevertheless, I know there is one way to determine virus. It's reading the file background. I do not think, but not sure, that there is way to do that using VB. Do you know some other way to do that (determine virus) using VB? Please, answer me - do you or you do not?
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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 12:56 PM
: : Excuse me but i have never heard about the definition of background (processing/scanning) in this context. Please enlighten me! (?)
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Looks like I messed up "file background" with something else
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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by lionb on 22 Oct 2002 at 1:11 PM
Forget about file background. I was wrong


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background Posted by DarQ on 22 Oct 2002 at 11:54 PM
perhaps you mean scanning at the background in windows while the user can continue his/her daily work? That should now be a problem. I also am not responsibly for integrating it into windows, my "co-worker" does that part, i only make the opening and scanning of files DLL.

: : : Excuse me but i have never heard about the definition of background (processing/scanning) in this context. Please enlighten me! (?)
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by lionb on 23 Oct 2002 at 5:25 AM
It's reading the file background.

That's wrong terminalogy. I meant, VS has to scann programm for piggyback.

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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by DarQ on 23 Oct 2002 at 5:43 AM
piggyback? I have heard that term before but i don't know its definition. elaborate.

: It's reading the file background.
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Gadver, ik wot ha'k hjir no wr?



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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by lionb on 23 Oct 2002 at 6:08 AM
This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-23 6:11:14

This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-23 6:9:44

Piggyback means to link or add something to a larger or more important item, or to become linked or added to something else
Virus usually piggybacks to program. I am not sure that my explanation good enough because like I said do not know that much about virii. May be infidel who is much smarter than I am knows more.


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Re: DarQ is not joking Posted by DarQ on 23 Oct 2002 at 6:40 AM
no problem, im smart enough to figure out and understand what you mean:))) NO PROB!

: This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-23 6:11:14

: This message was edited by lionb at 2002-10-23 6:9:44

: Piggyback means to link or add something to a larger or more important item, or to become linked or added to something else
: Virus usually piggybacks to program. I am not sure that my explanation good enough because like I said do not know that much about virii. May be infidel who is much smarter than I am knows more.
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