Do you know the story of Galileo (the man, not the deep-space satellite)? He lived during a time when the Catholic church held power over practically everything. If the Church said something, then by golly that something was so. Saying anything contrary to what the Church said, even if you were right, mean you were in serious trouble. When Galileo used scientific evidence to show that the Earth was not the center of the solar system, he brought all sorts of problems down on himself because he was contradicting the Church and the Holy Scriptures. And as everyone knows, the Bible is the 100% true, complete, inerrant Word-of-God (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA).

Just yesterday in the newspaper I read of a man alive today who is a scientist. He just happens to also be Mormon. Well, this man, having the means to do so, decided to test the Mormon belief that ancient Israelites came to America thousands of years ago and were the ancestors of Native Americans. Guess what? He showed that the MORMONS ARE WRONG (as if this really needed to be said), there is no genetic evidence of relationship between Israelites and Native Americans. Rather, as scientists have long held, Native Americans are descended from Asians. Now there is a council in the Mormon church trying to decide what to do about this guy. At least there's no Inquisition. He'll probably be excommunicated for apostasy or heresy.

You can have all your feelings of peace and truth, etc etc etc, but when it comes down to the FACTS, religion is just fairy tales for grownups.

infidel, you're still magnificent!! Just as if you are typing my thoughts! There is nothing for me to add to this post exept: believers are dumb...

: Do you know the story of Galileo (the man, not the deep-space satellite)? He lived during a time when the Catholic church held power over practically everything. If the Church said something, then by golly that something was so. Saying anything contrary to what the Church said, even if you were right, mean you were in serious trouble. When Galileo used scientific evidence to show that the Earth was not the center of the solar system, he brought all sorts of problems down on himself because he was contradicting the Church and the Holy Scriptures. And as everyone knows, the Bible is the 100% true, complete, inerrant Word-of-God (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA).
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: Just yesterday in the newspaper I read of a man alive today who is a scientist. He just happens to also be Mormon. Well, this man, having the means to do so, decided to test the Mormon belief that ancient Israelites came to America thousands of years ago and were the ancestors of Native Americans. Guess what? He showed that the MORMONS ARE WRONG (as if this really needed to be said), there is no genetic evidence of relationship between Israelites and Native Americans. Rather, as scientists have long held, Native Americans are descended from Asians. Now there is a council in the Mormon church trying to decide what to do about this guy. At least there's no Inquisition. He'll probably be excommunicated for apostasy or heresy.
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: You can have all your feelings of peace and truth, etc etc etc, but when it comes down to the FACTS, religion is just fairy tales for grownups.
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DarQ

: infidel, you're still magnificent!! Just as if you are typing my thoughts! There is nothing for me to add to this post exept: believers are dumb...

Yeah yeah yeah, so do I get points for this or what? :-P


infidel

: Do you know the story of Galileo (the man, not the deep-space satellite)? He lived during a time when the Catholic church held power over practically everything. If the Church said something, then by golly that something was so. Saying anything contrary to what the Church said, even if you were right, mean you were in serious trouble. When Galileo used scientific evidence to show that the Earth was not the center of the solar system, he brought all sorts of problems down on himself because he was contradicting the Church and the Holy Scriptures. And as everyone knows, the Bible is the 100% true, complete, inerrant Word-of-God (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA).
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: Just yesterday in the newspaper I read of a man alive today who is a scientist. He just happens to also be Mormon. Well, this man, having the means to do so, decided to test the Mormon belief that ancient Israelites came to America thousands of years ago and were the ancestors of Native Americans. Guess what? He showed that the MORMONS ARE WRONG (as if this really needed to be said), there is no genetic evidence of relationship between Israelites and Native Americans. Rather, as scientists have long held, Native Americans are descended from Asians. Now there is a council in the Mormon church trying to decide what to do about this guy. At least there's no Inquisition. He'll probably be excommunicated for apostasy or heresy.
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: You can have all your feelings of peace and truth, etc etc etc, but when it comes down to the FACTS, religion is just fairy tales for grownups.
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Interesting read Indifel.

I think that.. at the end of the day. as long as no one comes knocking on my door or stopping me in the street to tell me about a religion then I am not bothered.

Also those types of religion that involve getting time off work to pray. Whats all that about?

leeos, your did it again.. typing a post simultaniously with ME!!


: : Do you know the story of Galileo (the man, not the deep-space satellite)? He lived during a time when the Catholic church held power over practically everything. If the Church said something, then by golly that something was so. Saying anything contrary to what the Church said, even if you were right, mean you were in serious trouble. When Galileo used scientific evidence to show that the Earth was not the center of the solar system, he brought all sorts of problems down on himself because he was contradicting the Church and the Holy Scriptures. And as everyone knows, the Bible is the 100% true, complete, inerrant Word-of-God (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA).
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: : Just yesterday in the newspaper I read of a man alive today who is a scientist. He just happens to also be Mormon. Well, this man, having the means to do so, decided to test the Mormon belief that ancient Israelites came to America thousands of years ago and were the ancestors of Native Americans. Guess what? He showed that the MORMONS ARE WRONG (as if this really needed to be said), there is no genetic evidence of relationship between Israelites and Native Americans. Rather, as scientists have long held, Native Americans are descended from Asians. Now there is a council in the Mormon church trying to decide what to do about this guy. At least there's no Inquisition. He'll probably be excommunicated for apostasy or heresy.
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DarQ

: leeos, your did it again.. typing a post simultaniously with ME!!
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God helped him read your mind

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Was there some note about this guy himself? What he decided to do with his beliefs in mormons idea?

I am asking that because Galileo during the inquisition trial said that he was wrong but after the trial he said again: "Earth does spin"

: : Now there is a council in the Mormon church trying to decide what to do about this guy. At least there's no Inquisition. He'll probably be excommunicated for apostasy or heresy.
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: Was there some note about this guy himself? What he decided to do with his beliefs in mormons idea?
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: I am asking that because Galileo during the inquisition trial said that he was wrong but after the trial he said again: "Earth does spin"

The article didn't go into detail about what he was going to do personally. It did say that his findings were enthusiastically welcomed by others who had left the LDS church.

I think Galileo publicly denounced his previous statements to save his own life from the Church. At least I've heard that he did so that he could spend the rest of his days quietly doing his research. I don't know for certain, though. One interesting thing about Galileo is that he couldn't bring himself to believe that the Moon had any effect on the tides, even though there was data to correlate the two, because it sounded too much like Astrology.

: The article didn't go into detail about what he was going to do personally. It did say that his findings were enthusiastically welcomed by others who had left the LDS church.
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: I think Galileo publicly denounced his previous statements to save his own life from the Church.
That's what I've read about Galileo
At least I've heard that he did so that he could spend the rest of his days quietly doing his research. I don't know for certain, though.
Same here. I read that story about Galileo from book of Astronomy when I was high school student. It could be communist atheistic propoganda. So I'm not that sure about his last words too
One interesting thing about Galileo is that he couldn't bring himself to believe that the Moon had any effect on the tides, even though there was data to correlate the two, because it sounded too much like Astrology. That's interesting and very new for me. Never heard about that before
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Intelligent. Religious. Sane.

Pick two.
Take Care.
Cody

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Hi, Cody

I have question for you. It may be stupid or not that good qustion. I took a look at your page and found out that you occupation is: Heuristician. What exactly do you do? And how it's related with programming or it's not related at all? If question is not correct or you just do not like it, do not answer directly.

Greetings.

The question doesn't bother me at all. A heuristician is basically a problem-solver. Heuristics (based on the Greek heuristikos) is a deductive method for solving problems based on the assumption that the information necessary for the solution is implicit in the problem.

So... basically what I do is solve other people's problems. Now, because most often, these problems are business related, and the most effective solutions do involve systems, we're pretty much heavy into programming and development. But I don't want to give the idea that that's all we do. We have lots of projects that don't even get close to a computer.

On the other hand, we've designed applications and systems for companies that need them, and also do Internet development, web design, publicity, and personnel development. Since I'm coordinating it, I pretty much have to know how to do everything.

I hope this more or less answers your question... if not, I'm happy to elaborate.


Take Care.
Cody

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Sure it does. Thank you