I think debate between religious people and atheists is never going stop. That' for sure. Let me ask all of you one question. I think all of you (at least most of you) generaly belong to the same religious group called Cristians. I know that there are different interpretation of Cristianity inside of this group that's why some of you belong to different subgroups of that religion. I officialy belong to the completely different religion named Judaism. In other words, I am Jew. Actualy, I am atheist and DO NOT CARE about people religion(s) AT ALL. I mean I do not care are you religious or not and, if you are, what religion you are belong. (I am not talking about any religous fanatics. There is no way for me to communicate with them) I like to comminicate with most of you just because you are intellegent, funny people. Some of you even became my friends no matter of your faith/beliefe. Here is my question. On this board at least, do you care about my religion/nationality/ethnick origin? If you do care, I'll leave this board. If you do not, let's stop debate about this. Of course you can say: Hey, lionb no one push you to participate in religious debate, if do not like just leave us alone. But IMO there are a lot of other different and very interesting subjects for discussion besides religion.

: I think debate between religious people and atheists is never going stop. That' for sure. Let me ask all of you one question. I think all of you (at least most of you) generaly belong to the same religious group called Cristians. I know that there are different interpretation of Cristianity inside of this group that's why some of you belong to different subgroups of that religion. I officialy belong to the completely different religion named Judaism. In other words, I am Jew. Actualy, I am atheist and DO NOT CARE about people religion(s) AT ALL. I mean I do not care are you religious or not and, if you are, what religion you are belong. (I am not talking about any religous fanatics. There is no way for me to communicate with them) I like to comminicate with most of you just because you are intellegent, funny people. Some of you even became my friends no matter of your faith/beliefe. Here is my question. On this board at least, do you care about my religion/nationality/ethnick origin? If you do care, I'll leave this board. If you do not, let's stop debate about this. Of course you can say: Hey, lionb no one push you to participate in religious debate, if do not like just leave us alone. But IMO there are a lot of other different and very interesting subjects for discussion besides religion.
:

It's OK with me lionb,I will shut up.Religion? what's that ?

About your question,not only on this board,I don't care about anybody's
religion/nationality/ethnick origin .

And about you leaving ,Don't do it.There is only a handful of us
here as such.



Faustine
--------

i agree with you! there have been many many threads concerning that topic. I usually don't feel like participating in those threads. But i do read most of it, i just sometimes feel the urge to let infidel know that i agree with him again!

btw: u should know that at least i dont care about your religion or ethnic. But, you're nationallity makes you interesting. just because what you can tell about your past and such. So, i do care about nationallity



: I think debate between religious people and atheists is never going stop. That' for sure. Let me ask all of you one question. I think all of you (at least most of you) generaly belong to the same religious group called Cristians. I know that there are different interpretation of Cristianity inside of this group that's why some of you belong to different subgroups of that religion. I officialy belong to the completely different religion named Judaism. In other words, I am Jew. Actualy, I am atheist and DO NOT CARE about people religion(s) AT ALL. I mean I do not care are you religious or not and, if you are, what religion you are belong. (I am not talking about any religous fanatics. There is no way for me to communicate with them) I like to comminicate with most of you just because you are intellegent, funny people. Some of you even became my friends no matter of your faith/beliefe. Here is my question. On this board at least, do you care about my religion/nationality/ethnick origin? If you do care, I'll leave this board. If you do not, let's stop debate about this. Of course you can say: Hey, lionb no one push you to participate in religious debate, if do not like just leave us alone. But IMO there are a lot of other different and very interesting subjects for discussion besides religion.
:

DarQ
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This message was edited by lionb at 2003-7-28 5:4:52

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: i agree with you! there have been many many threads concerning that topic. I usually don't feel like participating in those threads. But i do read most of it, i just sometimes feel the urge to let infidel know that i agree with him again!
:
: btw: u should know that at least i dont care about your religion or ethnic. But, you're nationallity makes you interesting. just because what you can tell about your past and such. So, i do care about nationallity
:
Are you trying to say that my nationality was Soviet? That's not quite correct. My nationality is Jew but I lived in the former Soviet Union. There was not nationality like Soviet. People of different nationalities like Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Jew used to live there. The situation in the former SU with nationalities was very different from other countries. Dutch is your nationality, isn't it? Let's say you'll decide to move to US. If you will accept US citizenship, your nationality will become American who is original from Holland. That correct for normal country. Now. Let's say you'll make stupid decision to move to Russia and accept Russia citizenship. You think you will become Russian ? Not in the Russia. In that country you will remain Dutch, who decided to move to the Russia!!!!

: This message was edited by lionb at 2003-7-28 5:4:52

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: : i agree with you! there have been many many threads concerning that topic. I usually don't feel like participating in those threads. But i do read most of it, i just sometimes feel the urge to let infidel know that i agree with him again!
: :
: : btw: u should know that at least i dont care about your religion or ethnic. But, you're nationallity makes you interesting. just because what you can tell about your past and such. So, i do care about nationallity
: :
: Are you trying to say that my nationality was Soviet? That's not quite correct. My nationality is Jew but I lived in the former Soviet Union. There was not nationality like Soviet. People of different nationalities like Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Jew used to live there. The situation in the former SU with nationalities was very different from other countries. Dutch is your nationality, isn't it? Let's say you'll decide to move to US. If you will accept US citizenship, your nationality will become American who is original from Holland. That correct for normal country. Now. Let's say you'll make stupid decision to move to Russia and accept Russia citizenship. You think you will become Russian ? Not in the Russia. In that country you will remain Dutch, who decided to move to the Russia!!!!
:
Well that is true. Im English until I die no matter where I live.

But you was born in Russia? We have a similar thing here with the imports.

They are only British when it suits them.

Like for instance.. theres a couple of British Muslims that were caught in the battle field in Afghanistan. They are currently being held in that Camp X ray place. Now for some deranged reason.. the Government is attempting to bring them back here for trial.. and actually because Bush has publically said that these people are "bad". Then under EU laws its going to be difficult to trail them for legal reasons. If you ask me.. They should remain in America and be tried there. we dont want traitors in the UK if we cant punish them.

: : This message was edited by lionb at 2003-7-28 5:4:52

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: : : i agree with you! there have been many many threads concerning that topic. I usually don't feel like participating in those threads. But i do read most of it, i just sometimes feel the urge to let infidel know that i agree with him again!
: : :
: : : btw: u should know that at least i dont care about your religion or ethnic. But, you're nationallity makes you interesting. just because what you can tell about your past and such. So, i do care about nationallity
: : :
: : Are you trying to say that my nationality was Soviet? That's not quite correct. My nationality is Jew but I lived in the former Soviet Union. There was not nationality like Soviet. People of different nationalities like Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Jew used to live there. The situation in the former SU with nationalities was very different from other countries. Dutch is your nationality, isn't it? Let's say you'll decide to move to US. If you will accept US citizenship, your nationality will become American who is original from Holland. That correct for normal country. Now. Let's say you'll make stupid decision to move to Russia and accept Russia citizenship. You think you will become Russian ? Not in the Russia. In that country you will remain Dutch, who decided to move to the Russia!!!!
: :
: Well that is true. Im English until I die no matter where I live.
:
: But you was born in Russia? We have a similar thing here with the imports.
:
It's just western stereotype about people from SU. No, I was not. I was born in one of the republick of the former USSR. USSR consisted of 15 republic. Russia was one of them (biggest one) and I was born and lived 38 years in another one, not Russia.
: They are only British when it suits them.
:
So I'll immigrate to England and start live in York, how you will call me British or English? For some reason, I do not think that real English people will call me English
: Like for instance.. theres a couple of British Muslims that were caught in the battle field in Afghanistan. They are currently being held in that Camp X ray place. Now for some deranged reason.. the Government is attempting to bring them back here for trial.. and actually because Bush has publically said that these people are "bad". Then under EU laws its going to be difficult to trail them for legal reasons. If you ask me.. They should remain in America and be tried there. we dont want traitors in the UK if we cant punish them.
:

: : : This message was edited by lionb at 2003-7-28 5:4:52

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: : : : i agree with you! there have been many many threads concerning that topic. I usually don't feel like participating in those threads. But i do read most of it, i just sometimes feel the urge to let infidel know that i agree with him again!
: : : :
: : : : btw: u should know that at least i dont care about your religion or ethnic. But, you're nationallity makes you interesting. just because what you can tell about your past and such. So, i do care about nationallity
: : : :
: : : Are you trying to say that my nationality was Soviet? That's not quite correct. My nationality is Jew but I lived in the former Soviet Union. There was not nationality like Soviet. People of different nationalities like Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Jew used to live there. The situation in the former SU with nationalities was very different from other countries. Dutch is your nationality, isn't it? Let's say you'll decide to move to US. If you will accept US citizenship, your nationality will become American who is original from Holland. That correct for normal country. Now. Let's say you'll make stupid decision to move to Russia and accept Russia citizenship. You think you will become Russian ? Not in the Russia. In that country you will remain Dutch, who decided to move to the Russia!!!!
: : :
: : Well that is true. Im English until I die no matter where I live.
: :
: : But you was born in Russia? We have a similar thing here with the imports.
: :
: It's just western stereotype about people from SU. No, I was not. I was born in one of the republick of the former USSR. USSR consisted of 15 republic. Russia was one of them (biggest one) and I was born and lived 38 years in another one, not Russia.

You know what i meant. SU. Which one then?


: : They are only British when it suits them.
: :
: So I'll immigrate to England and start live in York, how you will call me British or English? For some reason, I do not think that real English people will call me English

Well actually youd be given a silly name. We are not being nasty.. Infact these people use these phrases to describe themselves and laugh at it.

Polish person living in England is called

"Jam Role" Pole rhymes with jam role.
A Greek is "Bubble & Sweak"

My best friend is Polish.. he uses these phrases all the time even though he has lived in the UK for nearly 20 years. Although he can speak polish, his english accent is like mine. I can hear no major difference.


: : Like for instance.. theres a couple of British Muslims that were caught in the battle field in Afghanistan. They are currently being held in that Camp X ray place. Now for some deranged reason.. the Government is attempting to bring them back here for trial.. and actually because Bush has publically said that these people are "bad". Then under EU laws its going to be difficult to trail them for legal reasons. If you ask me.. They should remain in America and be tried there. we dont want traitors in the UK if we cant punish them.
: :
:
:

: : Are you trying to say that my nationality was Soviet? That's not quite correct. My nationality is Jew but I lived in the former Soviet Union. There was not nationality like Soviet. People of different nationalities like Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Jew used to live there. The situation in the former SU with nationalities was very different from other countries. Dutch is your nationality, isn't it? Let's say you'll decide to move to US. If you will accept US citizenship, your nationality will become American who is original from Holland. That correct for normal country. Now. Let's say you'll make stupid decision to move to Russia and accept Russia citizenship. You think you will become Russian ? Not in the Russia. In that country you will remain Dutch, who decided to move to the Russia!!!!
: : : :
: : : Well that is true. Im English until I die no matter where I live.
: : :
: : : But you was born in Russia? We have a similar thing here with the imports.
: : :
: : It's just western stereotype about people from SU. No, I was not. I was born in one of the republick of the former USSR. USSR consisted of 15 republic. Russia was one of them (biggest one) and I was born and lived 38 years in another one, not Russia.
:
: You know what i meant. SU. Which one then?
:
I believe you know my home country name and would not like to post it here because of the same reason when I did not post my real name
:
: : : They are only British when it suits them.
: : :
: : So I'll immigrate to England and start live in York, how you will call me British or English? For some reason, I do not think that real English people will call me English
:
: Well actually youd be given a silly name. We are not being nasty.. Infact these people use these phrases to describe themselves and laugh at it.
:
: Polish person living in England is called
:
: "Jam Role" Pole rhymes with jam role.
: A Greek is "Bubble & Sweak"
:
And people from SU are called ... let me guess ... "Russian mafiozy"?

: My best friend is Polish.. he uses these phrases all the time even though he has lived in the UK for nearly 20 years. Although he can speak polish, his english accent is like mine. I can hear no major difference.
:
:
: : : Like for instance.. theres a couple of British Muslims that were caught in the battle field in Afghanistan. They are currently being held in that Camp X ray place. Now for some deranged reason.. the Government is attempting to bring them back here for trial.. and actually because Bush has publically said that these people are "bad". Then under EU laws its going to be difficult to trail them for legal reasons. If you ask me.. They should remain in America and be tried there. we dont want traitors in the UK if we cant punish them.
: : :
: :
: :
:
:

: : : Are you trying to say that my nationality was Soviet? That's not quite correct. My nationality is Jew but I lived in the former Soviet Union. There was not nationality like Soviet. People of different nationalities like Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Jew used to live there. The situation in the former SU with nationalities was very different from other countries. Dutch is your nationality, isn't it? Let's say you'll decide to move to US. If you will accept US citizenship, your nationality will become American who is original from Holland. That correct for normal country. Now. Let's say you'll make stupid decision to move to Russia and accept Russia citizenship. You think you will become Russian ? Not in the Russia. In that country you will remain Dutch, who decided to move to the Russia!!!!
: : : : :
: : : : Well that is true. Im English until I die no matter where I live.
: : : :
: : : : But you was born in Russia? We have a similar thing here with the imports.
: : : :
: : : It's just western stereotype about people from SU. No, I was not. I was born in one of the republick of the former USSR. USSR consisted of 15 republic. Russia was one of them (biggest one) and I was born and lived 38 years in another one, not Russia.
: :
: : You know what i meant. SU. Which one then?
: :
: I believe you know my home country name and would not like to post it here because of the same reason when I did not post my real name
: :
: : : : They are only British when it suits them.
: : : :
: : : So I'll immigrate to England and start live in York, how you will call me British or English? For some reason, I do not think that real English people will call me English

Ah, yes I do know.

: :
: : Well actually youd be given a silly name. We are not being nasty.. Infact these people use these phrases to describe themselves and laugh at it.
: :
: : Polish person living in England is called
: :
: : "Jam Role" Pole rhymes with jam role.
: : A Greek is "Bubble & Squeak"
: :
: And people from SU are called ... let me guess ... "Russian mafiozy"?

Actually i dont know. Only ever met Ukrainians before. Probably some relation to do with Comrade or something.



: : My best friend is Polish.. he uses these phrases all the time even though he has lived in the UK for nearly 20 years. Although he can speak polish, his english accent is like mine. I can hear no major difference.
: :
: :
: : : : Like for instance.. theres a couple of British Muslims that were caught in the battle field in Afghanistan. They are currently being held in that Camp X ray place. Now for some deranged reason.. the Government is attempting to bring them back here for trial.. and actually because Bush has publically said that these people are "bad". Then under EU laws its going to be difficult to trail them for legal reasons. If you ask me.. They should remain in America and be tried there. we dont want traitors in the UK if we cant punish them.
: : : :
: : :
: : :
: :
: :
:
:

: I think debate between religious people and atheists is never going stop. That' for sure. Let me ask all of you one question. I think all of you (at least most of you) generaly belong to the same religious group called Cristians. I know that there are different interpretation of Cristianity inside of this group that's why some of you belong to different subgroups of that religion. I officialy belong to the completely different religion named Judaism. In other words, I am Jew. Actualy, I am atheist and DO NOT CARE about people religion(s) AT ALL. I mean I do not care are you religious or not and, if you are, what religion you are belong. (I am not talking about any religous fanatics. There is no way for me to communicate with them) I like to comminicate with most of you just because you are intellegent, funny people. Some of you even became my friends no matter of your faith/beliefe. Here is my question. On this board at least, do you care about my religion/nationality/ethnick origin? If you do care, I'll leave this board. If you do not, let's stop debate about this. Of course you can say: Hey, lionb no one push you to participate in religious debate, if do not like just leave us alone. But IMO there are a lot of other different and very interesting subjects for discussion besides religion.
:

I would never judge anyone on what they believe or treat them different because of that. I'm always interested to here what people have to say and believe though. And I do find it an interesting topic thus why I do make a few posts when it comes up. Also, sure the debate will go on. But a debate isn't an argument. Arguing is a bad thing, but to me the debates on here are just exploring thoughts, that's all.

Anyway, if my thoughts bore you I'll scab off back to the Perl board, and keep my thoughts to myself. I'm just the imposter who joins in the religion debates...

Jonathan

###
for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
(tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
/(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");

: Anyway, if my thoughts bore you I'll scab off back to the Perl board, and keep my thoughts to myself. I'm just the imposter who joins in the religion debates...
:
: Jonathan
:
: ###
: for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
: (tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
: /(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");
:
:

Why is everyone so keen on scabbing off ? .I must be the newest here , and I want to see more people to come here and not see veterans ( ) move off.
Come on guys!!

: : Anyway, if my thoughts bore you I'll scab off back to the Perl
: : board, and keep my thoughts to myself. I'm just the imposter who
: : joins in the religion debates...
: :
: : Jonathan
: :
: : ###
: : for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
: : (tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
: : /(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");
: :
: :
:
: Why is everyone so keen on scabbing off ? .I must be the newest
: here , and I want to see more people to come here and not see
: veterans ( ) move off.
: Come on guys!!
:

Hehehe...I was only saying I'd go if people told me I'm boring. Has anyone noticed that we're arguing about what topics should be discussed on the off-topic board?

Jonathan

###
for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
(tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
/(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");

: I would never judge anyone on what they believe or treat them different because of that. I'm always interested to here what people have to say and believe though. And I do find it an interesting topic thus why I do make a few posts when it comes up. Also, sure the debate will go on. But a debate isn't an argument. Arguing is a bad thing, but to me the debates on here are just exploring thoughts, that's all.
:
: Anyway, if my thoughts bore you I'll scab off back to the Perl board, and keep my thoughts to myself. I'm just the imposter who joins in the religion debates...
:
I did not say that thoughts bore me. I said that debate like that do not have end. That bores me. Besides, it's MY VERY PERSONAL OPINION, I am not alone here and I am not moderator. So descision about debate/discussion like that is up to rest of you. And of course I did not say that you have to leave board. There is no way for me to say that

: I did not say that thoughts bore me. I said that debate like that do not have end. That bores me. Besides, it's MY VERY PERSONAL OPINION, I am not alone here and I am not moderator. So descision about debate/discussion like that is up to rest of you. And of course I did not say that you have to leave board. There is no way for me to say that

Well I agree, I dont really like chatting about it. One becuase we get a lot of "fruit cases" ( IMO ). That often stop me in the street or roam round my village and attempt to get me to watch a video or go to some meeting. I dont have time to do things like that. And further more I have no inclination.

I go to Church for births, deaths and marriages.. although it seems that these days its more popular to chose another place to get married.

Do you think funerals will change in the future?

Another thing... Jonathan. Do you like singing in the Church? That's one thing that I fail to get any enjoyment from. Bell ringing in my opinion is a selfish hobby that should be limited to a few times a year.

Where I live, they are at it (ringing) every Wednesday night. I would not complain if it was a religious village but its not.

Finally my last gripe. Why is it that Schools try and force Christianity down kids throats? I dont know about today, but when I went through School, it was a pain... especially for the overseas pupils who followed Budda. They were forced to go to the chapel and sing.

One good thing about a Church is climbing the stone spiral staircase and getting out on the roof.

Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an old Church that closed down.

: Well I agree, I dont really like chatting about it. One becuase we
: get a lot of "fruit cases" ( IMO ). That often stop me in the street
: or roam round my village and attempt to get me to watch a video or go
: to some meeting. I dont have time to do things like that. And
: further more I have no inclination.
And what if you thought you knew something that you thought could make a big difference to somebody's life? Would you keep it to yourself? If you aren't interested just say so and walk away. It's only an invitation.

: I go to Church for births, deaths and marriages.. although it seems
: at these days its more popular to chose another place to get married.
:
: Do you think funerals will change in the future?
Maybe. If you don't belive in the God thing, why get married and have a funeral at a church anyway?

: Another thing... Jonathan. Do you like singing in the Church?
Nah...they need more dance music. Possibly some metal too. Going to church is more than just that though. For me it's being amongst other people who believe the same kinda things that I do.

: That's one thing that I fail to get any enjoyment from. Bell ringing
: in my opinion is a selfish hobby that should be limited to a few
: times a year.
:
: Where I live, they are at it (ringing) every Wednesday night. I
: would not complain if it was a religious village but its not.
Wednesday night? Could be worse, could be Saturday morning, 8 AM. I see your point though, it can make quite a racket...

: Finally my last gripe. Why is it that Schools try and force
: Christianity down kids throats? I dont know about today, but when I
: went through School, it was a pain... especially for the overseas
: pupils who followed Budda. They were forced to go to the chapel and
: sing.
I have no idea why schools do that. I don't think schools should ignore religion as spiritual development is something people all go through, whether they decide to be atheists, whatever... I agree they should not force people to take place in religous acts, but I think they should be allowed to talk about a religion and why people follow it and what it's about.

: One good thing about a Church is climbing the stone spiral staircase
: and getting out on the roof.
At least if the church has a grave yard it's not far to go if you slip and fall off...

: Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an
: old Church that closed down.
And please can you explain to me why that is a good thing?

Jonathan

###
for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
(tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
/(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");

: : Well I agree, I dont really like chatting about it. One becuase we
: : get a lot of "fruit cases" ( IMO ). That often stop me in the street
: : or roam round my village and attempt to get me to watch a video or go
: : to some meeting. I dont have time to do things like that. And
: : further more I have no inclination.
: And what if you thought you knew something that you thought could make a big difference to somebody's life? Would you keep it to yourself? If you aren't interested just say so and walk away. It's only an invitation.
:
: : I go to Church for births, deaths and marriages.. although it seems
: : at these days its more popular to chose another place to get married.
: :
: : Do you think funerals will change in the future?
: Maybe. If you don't belive in the God thing, why get married and have a funeral at a church anyway?

mmm. Well I think thats something that "The Parents" want.. because they did.

:
: : Another thing... Jonathan. Do you like singing in the Church?
: Nah...they need more dance music. Possibly some metal too. Going to church is more than just that though. For me it's being amongst other people who believe the same kinda things that I do.
:
: : That's one thing that I fail to get any enjoyment from. Bell ringing
: : in my opinion is a selfish hobby that should be limited to a few
: : times a year.
: :
: : Where I live, they are at it (ringing) every Wednesday night. I
: : would not complain if it was a religious village but its not.
: Wednesday night? Could be worse, could be Saturday morning, 8 AM. I see your point though, it can make quite a racket...
:
: : Finally my last gripe. Why is it that Schools try and force
: : Christianity down kids throats? I dont know about today, but when I
: : went through School, it was a pain... especially for the overseas
: : pupils who followed Budda. They were forced to go to the chapel and
: : sing.
: I have no idea why schools do that. I don't think schools should ignore religion as spiritual development is something people all go through, whether they decide to be atheists, whatever... I agree they should not force people to take place in religous acts, but I think they should be allowed to talk about a religion and why people follow it and what it's about.
:
: : One good thing about a Church is climbing the stone spiral staircase
: : and getting out on the roof.
: At least if the church has a grave yard it's not far to go if you slip and fall off...
:
: : Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an
: : old Church that closed down.
: And please can you explain to me why that is a good thing?

Well its a nice building. Better that it was not demolished and replaced with something more modern.


: Jonathan
:
: ###
: for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
: (tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
: /(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");
:
:

: : : Do you think funerals will change in the future?
: : Maybe. If you don't belive in the God thing, why get married and
: : have a funeral at a church anyway?
:
: mmm. Well I think thats something that "The Parents" want.. because
: they did.

Yeah, that's true.

: : : Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an
: : : old Church that closed down.
: : And please can you explain to me why that is a good thing?
:
: Well its a nice building. Better that it was not demolished and
: replaced with something more modern.
Ah, OK. I thought you were saying it like "yay, another church gone". Which would have hacked me off.

Jonathan

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: : : : Do you think funerals will change in the future?
: : : Maybe. If you don't belive in the God thing, why get married and
: : : have a funeral at a church anyway?
: :
: : mmm. Well I think thats something that "The Parents" want.. because
: : they did.
:
: Yeah, that's true.
:
: : : : Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an
: : : : old Church that closed down.
: : : And please can you explain to me why that is a good thing?
: :
: : Well its a nice building. Better that it was not demolished and
: : replaced with something more modern.
: Ah, OK. I thought you were saying it like "yay, another church gone". Which would have hacked me off.

Well I was goign to say something like that to see what your reaction was. Actually in York, an old run down church has been converted into flats. Looks like a really cool place to live. Alas it is too expensive. Also, on converted Churches, I went to a night club in NY that used to be a Church. The bar was where the altar was.. which is kind of taking the p1ss. Still quite enterprising though.

: Jonathan
:
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:
:

: : : : : Do you think funerals will change in the future?
: : : : Maybe. If you don't belive in the God thing, why get married and
: : : : have a funeral at a church anyway?
: : :
: : : mmm. Well I think thats something that "The Parents" want.. because
: : : they did.
: :
: : Yeah, that's true.
: :
: : : : : Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an
: : : : : old Church that closed down.
: : : : And please can you explain to me why that is a good thing?
: : :
: : : Well its a nice building. Better that it was not demolished and
: : : replaced with something more modern.
: : Ah, OK. I thought you were saying it like "yay, another church gone". Which would have hacked me off.
:
: Well I was goign to say something like that to see what your
: reaction was.
<grins> Probably would have sparked me off!

: Actually in York, an old run down church has been converted into
: flats. Looks like a really cool place to live. Alas it is too
: expensive. Also, on converted Churches, I went to a night club in
: NY that used to be a Church. The bar was where the altar was..
: which is kind of taking the p1ss. Still quite enterprising though.
A chapel in my village is being turned into flats...it'll probably be quite nice. Churches do tend to be pretty nice buildings. Big ones I can imagine making good nightclubs! I went to an event at York Minster once where they had turned the place into a kind of multi-stage club to run a youth event of sorts. Acoustics were pretty interesting!

Bar where the alar was? Alcohol serving hasn't moved around then.

Jonathan

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This message was edited by lionb at 2003-7-28 6:13:25

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: : I did not say that thoughts bore me. I said that debate like that do not have end. That bores me. Besides, it's MY VERY PERSONAL OPINION, I am not alone here and I am not moderator. So descision about debate/discussion like that is up to rest of you. And of course I did not say that you have to leave board. There is no way for me to say that
:
: Well I agree, I dont really like chatting about it. One becuase we get a lot of "fruit cases" ( IMO ). That often stop me in the street or roam round my village and attempt to get me to watch a video or go to some meeting. I dont have time to do things like that. And further more I have no inclination.
:
: I go to Church for births, deaths and marriages.. although it seems that these days its more popular to chose another place to get married.
:
: Do you think funerals will change in the future?
:
: Another thing... Jonathan. Do you like singing in the Church? That's one thing that I fail to get any enjoyment from. Bell ringing in my opinion is a selfish hobby that should be limited to a few times a year.
:
: Where I live, they are at it (ringing) every Wednesday night. I would not complain if it was a religious village but its not.
:
: Finally my last gripe. Why is it that Schools try and force Christianity down kids throats? I dont know about today, but when I went through School, it was a pain... especially for the overseas pupils who followed Budda. They were forced to go to the chapel and sing.
:
: One good thing about a Church is climbing the stone spiral staircase and getting out on the roof.
:
: Actually another good thing is that the canteen at my place is a an old Church that closed down.
:
Well leeos I regret to say that but looks like you missunderstood me. My post was not against religion or religious people or agtressive atheist/nonethist ( for me , no offense infidel, agressive atheism is just another form of religion. In other words it sounds like debate between two opposite religious group). I was just tried to say that IMO debate between religous people and atheists is endless and because of that it does not make sence to continue it. Again, it's just my opinion

: Well leeos I regret to say that but looks like you missunderstood me. My post was not against religion or religious people or agtressive atheist/nonethist ( for me , no offense infidel, agressive atheism is just another form of religion. In other words it sounds like debate between two opposite religious group).

You're about 98% correct here. I haven't even come close to agressive here.

I was just tried to say that IMO debate between religous people and atheists is endless and because of that it does not make sence to continue it. Again, it's just my opinion

That all depends on the specific argument.


infidel

: : Well leeos I regret to say that but looks like you missunderstood me. My post was not against religion or religious people or agtressive atheist/nonethist ( for me , no offense infidel, agressive atheism is just another form of religion. In other words it sounds like debate between two opposite religious group).
:
: You're about 98% correct here. I haven't even come close to agressive here.
:
Sorry if I hurt you saing 'agressive'. When I said 'agressive' I didn't mean 'violent','brutal'. I meant somebody who wants to debate very much. Who does care about subject..
: I was just tried to say that IMO debate between religous people and atheists is endless and because of that it does not make sence to continue it. Again, it's just my opinion
:
: That all depends on the specific argument.
:
:
: infidel
:
:

: Sorry if I hurt you saing 'agressive'. When I said 'agressive' I didn't mean 'violent','brutal'. I meant somebody who wants to debate very much. Who does care about subject..

Dude, you don't need to apologize so much. Nothing you can say would offend me. And as you've defined it, I agree I am agressive. Though around here I've been very tame compared to my past adventures.




infidel

: I did not say that thoughts bore me. I said that debate like
: that do not have end. That bores me.
Ah, OK. I misunderstood. I still think it can be interesting to talk about. Then, everyone's different.

: Besides, it's MY VERY PERSONAL OPINION, I am not alone here and I
: am not moderator. So descision about debate/discussion like that is
: up to rest of you. And of course I did not say that you have to leave
: board. There is no way for me to say that
All I meant was I didn't want to annoy people with my posts, so if they did then I should not post, that's all.

Jonathan

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: I officialy belong to the completely different religion named Judaism. In other words, I am Jew.

Cool. Although "completely different" is debateable

: Actualy, I am atheist and DO NOT CARE about people religion(s) AT ALL.

But it's such an interesting topic!

: On this board at least, do you care about my religion/nationality/ethnick origin? If you do care, I'll leave this board.

I care to the point that I think you're a wonderfully interesting person with a completely different perspective than any of the rest of us.

: If you do not, let's stop debate about this.

Nobody is debating this.

: Of course you can say: Hey, lionb no one push you to participate in religious debate, if do not like just leave us alone. But IMO there are a lot of other different and very interesting subjects for discussion besides religion.

So start one!


infidel

: : I officialy belong to the completely different religion named Judaism. In other words, I am Jew.
:
: Cool. Although "completely different" is debateable
:
: : Actualy, I am atheist and DO NOT CARE about people religion(s) AT ALL.
:
: But it's such an interesting topic!
:
: : On this board at least, do you care about my religion/nationality/ethnick origin? If you do care, I'll leave this board.
:
: I care to the point that I think you're a wonderfully interesting person with a completely different perspective than any of the rest of us .
:
Am I? Why do you think that? I thought that my perspective is common human one

: Am I? Why do you think that? I thought that my perspective is common human one

Last I checked, you were the only Jewish Russian former Neuroscientist around here.


infidel

This message was edited by lionb at 2003-7-28 12:33:32

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: : Am I? Why do you think that? I thought that my perspective is common human one
:
: Last I checked, you were the only Jewish Russian former Neuroscientist around here.
:
:
May be it's about my English. For me word 'pespective' means point of view. When I say 'human perspective' I mean human point of view. So, how my ethnik-professional origin can change my human point of view? Let say I would architect not scientist in my previous life. Would it change my point of view? I do not think so. I am atheist not because I am 'Jewish Russian former Neuroscientist'. I love jazz and hate heavy metall not because I am 'Jewish Russian former Neuroscientist'. I do it just because of my common pure human perspective. By the way, long time ago before I was born, jazz was illigal in the SU. The reason was more than stupid. The communists leaders call jazz "music of capitalistic word" or something like that

: May be it's about my English. For me word 'pespective' means point of view. When I say 'human perspective' I mean human point of view. So, how my ethnik-professional origin can change my human point of view? Let say I would architect not scientist in my previous life. Would it change my point of view? I do not think so.

Yes, point of view. Everything we experience colors our POV in some way. You know what it was like to live under the Soviets. I do not. You know more about neuroscience than I do. You like different kinds of music than I do (or at least to different degrees). If you were an architect your POV about certain things would probably be different. Being a fan of architecture, there are certain things that I like that others in my family do not. By POV, I mean the way we look at things, not just the position from which we look at things. Capisce?

I am atheist not because I am 'Jewish Russian former Neuroscientist'. I love jazz and hate heavy metall not because I am 'Jewish Russian former Neuroscientist'. I do it just because of my common pure human perspective. By the way, long time ago before I was born, jazz was illigal in the SU. The reason was more than stupid. The communists leaders call jazz "music of capitalistic word" or something like that

I love stories like that and you're the only one who can tell them because of your unique point of view.


infidel

:
:: So start one!
:
I've already tried to start it! About jazz. Well actualy it was like sub subject of " ... green valey". Anyway, it's turned out to religion ...

: :
: :: So start one!
: :
: I've already tried to start it! About jazz. Well actualy it was like sub subject of " ... green valey". Anyway, it's turned out to religion ...

Then start another!


infidel

: : :
: : :: So start one!
: : :
: : I've already tried to start it! About jazz. Well actualy it was like sub subject of " ... green valey". Anyway, it's turned out to religion ...
:
: Then start another!
:
:
: infidel
:
:
OK I will

: :
: :: So start one!
: :
: I've already tried to start it! About jazz. Well actualy it was like sub subject of " ... green valey". Anyway, it's turned out to religion ...
:
:
:

Have you heard of Norah Jones? or Jack Johnson? You might like them, if you like jazz stuff....

dodge

: : :
:
: Have you heard of Norah Jones? or Jack Johnson? You might like them, if you like jazz stuff....
:
: dodge
:
Noop. What kind of jazz they play/sing?

: : : :
: :
: : Have you heard of Norah Jones? or Jack Johnson? You might like them, if you like jazz stuff....
: :
: : dodge
: :
: Noop. What kind of jazz they play/sing?
:

Norah Jones plays piano. She's kinda laidback blusey, jazzy style (don't know specifically what kinda jazz).
Jack Johnson is the male version of Norah (so some people say). He plays guitar in a very laidback, bluesy style... :)
They are both pretty good. Norah Jones is particularly popular over here. Jack is yet to have his break but he's good too.
If your in the US, you should be able to find them both because they both come from there.
:)
dodge

: : : : :
: : :
: : : Have you heard of Norah Jones? or Jack Johnson? You might like them, if you like jazz stuff....
: : :
: : : dodge
: : :
: : Noop. What kind of jazz they play/sing?
: :
:
: Norah Jones plays piano. She's kinda laidback blusey, jazzy style (don't know specifically what kinda jazz).
: Jack Johnson is the male version of Norah (so some people say). He plays guitar in a very laidback, bluesy style... :)
: They are both pretty good. Norah Jones is particularly popular over here. Jack is yet to have his break but he's good too.
: If your in the US, you should be able to find them both because they both come from there.
: :)
: dodge
I am in the US but never heard about those two. Thank for your information, I found a few Norah Jones' CD on Internet and ordered one of them. I like blusey jazz and hopefuly will like Norah's music. Thanks again

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