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Is this just? I think it is. However in the UK it would just carry a prison term. In fact it would just be a secure hospital.

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: Is this just? I think it is. However in the UK it would just carry a prison term. In fact it would just be a secure hospital.
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For half of what he did,he deserved it.

This thing about a killer being "conscious' of his action has been and will be misused as long as it lasts.

I think someone who kills and doesn't deserve a death sentence is someone who kills in self defence.But then suddenly ,every killing will
become self defence in many forms ? Sometimes justice is so stupid.

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: : Is this just? I think it is. However in the UK it would just carry a prison term. In fact it would just be a secure hospital.
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: This thing about a killer being "conscious' of his action has been and will be misused as long as it lasts.
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: I think someone who kills and doesn't deserve a death sentence is someone who kills in self defence.But then suddenly ,every killing will
: become self defence in many forms ? Sometimes justice is so stupid.
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Now compare to this other story

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_813518.html

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: : I think someone who kills and doesn't deserve a death sentence is someone who kills in self defence.But then suddenly ,every killing will
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I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.

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: I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.
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Guys, you are trying to compare two absolutely different things. Japan - normal civilized justice based on common human rules, Nigeria - justice based on religion rules .

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: : I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.
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: Guys, you are trying to compare two absolutely different things. Japan - normal civilized justice based on common human rules, Nigeria - justice based on religion rules .
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Yes, that is the point too,Justice means different things to different people.But the thread started with the question about the death sentence.To me,the first one is just and second one is not.

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: : : I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.
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: Yes, that is the point too,Justice means different things to different people.But the thread started with the question about the death sentence.To me,the first one is just and second one is not.
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Same here

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: : : : I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.
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: : : Guys, you are trying to compare two absolutely different things. Japan - normal civilized justice based on common human rules, Nigeria - justice based on religion rules .
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: : Yes, that is the point too,Justice means different things to different people.But the thread started with the question about the death sentence.To me,the first one is just and second one is not.
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Agreed. The point I was trying to say is. How can you have a legal system that has a religious bias? How can a system be moulded around something that can not be scientifically proved?

Arrrrrhhgggggggg. I hope this does not start a Religious thread. I want to talk about law.

There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.

Obviously I will still be punished for first degree murder though.

: Arrrrrhhgggggggg. I hope this does not start a Religious thread. I want to talk about law.
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: There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.
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Law is a thing created by people. Therefore, some laws are funny or complicated and not clear enough. There is some fighting now in Alabama between State and local people about Monument of 10 Amendments moved from State Supreme Court building. Judges decided to move it out because according to the US Constitution religion has to be separated from Federal/State business. So having this Monument inside of State building is against the US Constitution. At the same time, there are activly using bibles everywhere, in every courtroom, Senate, Capitals (State and National), White House. Besides, according to the same Constitution people have their religious rights. So what was wrong with this Monument? I think nothing.

: So what was wrong with this Monument? I think nothing.

What's wrong with the monument is that it was placed for the specific purpose of stating "This is a Christian country founded on Christian beliefs."


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Historically that's true. So?

: Agreed. The point I was trying to say is. How can you have a legal system that has a religious bias? How can a system be moulded around something that can not be scientifically proved?

Technically laws cannot be scientifically proved either. The only reason we have laws against murder is because as a species, we have a desire to continue living and generally agree that murder is a bad thing. There's also our ability to experience empathy for others.

There are, of course, exceptions, like when the murderee is Qusay Hussein.

: Arrrrrhhgggggggg. I hope this does not start a Religious thread. I want to talk about law.

Law is a good topic. Religious people will always try to mix the two, but they can be kept separate.

: There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.
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: Obviously I will still be punished for first degree murder though.

You must be very disappointed. :-P


infidel

: There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states
: that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.
<laughs> Yeah, I've heard about that one too. Or a variant - I heard you could legally shoot a Scotsman with a cross bow as long as you did it from the city walls. Maybe you can do it anywhere on a Sunday though.

(for those who are curious, I live about 40 miles from York)

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: : There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states
: : that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.
: <laughs> Yeah, I've heard about that one too. Or a variant - I heard you could legally shoot a Scotsman with a cross bow as long as you did it from the city walls. Maybe you can do it anywhere on a Sunday though.
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: (for those who are curious, I live about 40 miles from York)

yes, im curious. But not about where you live but.. is there a record that someone has made an advantage of that law??? Did someone kill a scot like that???

Ha, thats a very weird law... i wonder if NL has such dumb laws as well. I think there must be some stupid laws dating from our Golden Century.





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: : : There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states
: : : that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.
: : <laughs> Yeah, I've heard about that one too. Or a variant - I heard you could legally shoot a Scotsman with a cross bow as long as you did it from the city walls. Maybe you can do it anywhere on a Sunday though.
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: yes, im curious. But not about where you live but.. is there a record that someone has made an advantage of that law??? Did someone kill a scot like that???
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Actually, I've heard of a few weird laws in the US, from way back (maybe 1700's or something, I don't know).
There's one that says that if a man looks at a woman (in these days it was a gentleman and a lady) with adulterous intent, he will be given one warning not to do it again. If he does so, then he has to walk around in public with horse blinders on (for how long, I don't know).
This is what I have heard, it may not be true.

And one from here in Australia, all horse and carriages have right of way on all roads (I think this is an old law too). I sincerely hope noone is going to try that on a freeway!!


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: : : There is a by law in York, England ( Where I live ) Which states
: : : that I can legally kill a Scotsman with a cross bow on any Sunday.
: : <laughs> Yeah, I've heard about that one too. Or a variant - I heard you could legally shoot a Scotsman with a cross bow as long as you did it from the city walls. Maybe you can do it anywhere on a Sunday though.
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Yes, I think your right about having to be on the walls. For those thar don't know. the inner part of the city is surrounded by a high stone Roman wall.. with tourits etc etc.

Im not sure if anyone ever did it. Obviously someone in power had a grievence with a Scot that he wanted to chase out of town. I bet there is a woman involved somewhere.

After some fast google research I found this. "I loved the one that pointed out that a still standing law allows a person, born in York, to kill a Scotsman in York with a bow and arrow and get away with it!
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That rules me out as I was born just outside in the district of Fulforld. Damn!!

Heres more...

Scots beware! In York it is still (apparently) legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow, but only if you spot him within the city walls after dark.

Im not sure if anyone ever did it. Obviously someone in power had a grievence with a Scot that he wanted to chase out of town. I bet there is a woman involved somewhere.

Don't you remember in Braveheart when Wallace and the Scots sacked York and sent the dude's (governor? mayor? sherrif?) head to Longshanks in a basket?


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: Don't you remember in Braveheart when Wallace and the Scots sacked York and sent the dude's (governor? mayor? sherrif?) head to Longshanks in a basket?

10 posts deep.

I have not seen the film.. well just a bit of it anyway. Did they really get as far as York? Strange. I would have thought they could not have advanced that far. A poor General.

Maybe I will check it out. I thought Gibson did a good job with the accent.

Speaking of accents. Have you seen any films with Catherine Zeta Jones? To me, her American accent seems quite authentic. What do you think?

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: : : : : : Is this just? I think it is. However in the UK it would just carry a prison term. In fact it would just be a secure hospital.
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: : : : :
: : : : : For half of what he did,he deserved it.
: : : : :
: : : : : This thing about a killer being "conscious' of his action has been and will be misused as long as it lasts.
: : : : :
: : : : : I think someone who kills and doesn't deserve a death sentence is someone who kills in self defence.But then suddenly ,every killing will
: : : : : become self defence in many forms ? Sometimes justice is so stupid.
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: : : :
: : : : Now compare to this other story
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: : : : http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_813518.html
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: : :
: : : I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.
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: : Guys, you are trying to compare two absolutely different things. Japan - normal civilized justice based on common human rules, Nigeria - justice based on religion rules .
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: Yes, that is the point too,Justice means different things to different people.But the thread started with the question about the death sentence.To me,the first one is just and second one is not.
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: In as much as we may want to justify the death sentence, i dont see in what way it helps the grieving. An example is the case of Tim Mcveigh, do you think the relatives of the people he killed fell good now that he was given the 'three course meal'? (i mean the lethal injection). Certainly i dont think so. How about those who adminster the punishment? Wouldn't they be killing as well? ).
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An example is the case of Tim Mcveigh, do you think the relatives of the people he killed fell good now that he was given the 'three course meal'? (i mean the lethal injection). Certainly i dont think so. How about those who adminster the punishment? Wouldn't they be killing as well? ).
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So are trying to say that it will be better for society having him alive, keeping him in prison? In that case we have to pay for his food, clothes, roof. After all what hi did? NO WAY!!!!
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: : : : : Is this just? I think it is. However in the UK it would just carry a prison term. In fact it would just be a secure hospital.
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: : : : For half of what he did,he deserved it.
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: : : : This thing about a killer being "conscious' of his action has been and will be misused as long as it lasts.
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: : : : I think someone who kills and doesn't deserve a death sentence is someone who kills in self defence.But then suddenly ,every killing will
: : : : become self defence in many forms ? Sometimes justice is so stupid.
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: : : http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_813518.html
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: : I repeat Sometimes justice is so stupid .Maybe the defenition of justice is.
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: Guys, you are trying to compare two absolutely different things. Japan - normal civilized justice based on common human rules, Nigeria - justice based on religion rules .
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:And think of the unfairness of it all, the guy is aquited, yet we know fully well that the lady did not have sex with herslf? Sometimes it baffles me how these people sleep at night after passing such judgements. I dont see what role they play to humankind.

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: I think someone who kills and doesn't deserve a death sentence is someone who kills in self defence.But then suddenly ,every killing will
: become self defence in many forms ? Sometimes justice is so stupid.
: :Yes, sometimes justice is so stupid, i agree that only those who kill out of self defence should be aquited. The only bad thing now is the phenomenon known as 'recidivism', where criminals keep on comitting crimes. If you look closely at the people doing time in most prisons, they have done time some time before, and will most certainly be back in some other time (whoa!!). Is it that the prisons are not equiped eneough to work as correctional institutions, coz rather than reforming , inmates get out having graduated to commit more serious crimes. If you ask me, i will suggest these guys turn to God and follow the commandments.
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Oh, no. Not again!

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: So the States is made up of hipocrites, the bank notes you use have an inscription that has something to do in trusting God, and it explicitly states 'WE', so who is this 'we'? And you use that money lionb, dont you? Your leaders also use the bible when they take the oath of office!! What do you say to that?

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: : So the States is made up of hipocrites, the bank notes you use have an inscription that has something to do in trusting God, and it explicitly states 'WE', so who is this 'we'? And you use that money lionb, dont you? Your leaders also use the bible when they take the oath of office!! What do you say to that?
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I've alredady said about that at
http://www.programmersheaven.com/c/MsgBoard/read.asp?Board=455&MsgID=209484&Setting=A9999F0001
Now I'm trying to say that there are a lot of very religious criminals around ... even among priests, rabies and others. Example? Last scandal with Catholic Church in the US. Another example? Rabbi killed his own wife

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: : : So the States is made up of hipocrites, the bank notes you use have an inscription that has something to do in trusting God, and it explicitly states 'WE', so who is this 'we'? And you use that money lionb, dont you? Your leaders also use the bible when they take the oath of office!! What do you say to that?
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: Now I'm trying to say that there are a lot of very religious criminals around ... even among priests, rabies and others. Example? Last scandal with Catholic Church in the US. Another example? Rabbi killed his own wife
::That doesn't make every catholic priest bad. Most of them are devoted guys who want to do good to humankind, but priesthood like everything good, gets hijacked by the bad. The only bad thing is that the system somehow protected these bad guys by transfering them to other places , to continue with their crimes.
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Most of them are devoted guys who want to do good to humankind, but priesthood like everything good, gets hijacked by the bad. How come? I think God has to protect us against that
The only bad thing is that the system somehow protected these bad guys by transfering them to other places , to continue with their crimes.
System sent them to prison, church, which is embassy of God on the Earth, tried to protect them. Do you see the difference? What I'm trying to say, that religion is not capable to prevent people commit crime. That's for sure!!!
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: Most of them are devoted guys who want to do good to humankind, but priesthood like everything good, gets hijacked by the bad. How come? I think God has to protect us against that
: The only bad thing is that the system somehow protected these bad guys by transfering them to other places , to continue with their crimes.
: System sent them to prison, church, which is embassy of God on the Earth, tried to protect them. Do you see the difference?Oh, when i said the system, i meant the church. i am not protecting them in any way for trying to cover up for the guys What I'm trying to say, that religion is not capable to prevent people commit crime. That's for sure!!!
If all people follow the basic rules like "Thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultery, lie..etc", then there will be no criminals!!
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: : Most of them are devoted guys who want to do good to humankind, but priesthood like everything good, gets hijacked by the bad. How come? I think God has to protect us against that
: : The only bad thing is that the system somehow protected these bad guys by transfering them to other places , to continue with their crimes.
: : System sent them to prison, church, which is embassy of God on the Earth, tried to protect them. Do you see the difference?Oh, when i said the system, i meant the church. i am not protecting them in any way for trying to cover up for the guys What I'm trying to say, that religion is not capable to prevent people commit crime. That's for sure!!!
: If all people follow the basic rules like "Thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultery, lie..etc", then there will be no criminals!!
You are missing my point complitely! Accordung to any religions, people from Temples (priests, rabbies,mollahs whoever) are God embassodors on the Earth. So if they, God servers on the Easrth,do not "follow the basic rules like "Thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultery, lie..etc" why other people have to? They have to be punishemt by God first but they are not! So ...?????[/blue]

: : : :That doesn't make every catholic priest bad.
: : : I did not say that
: : : Most of them are devoted guys who want to do good to humankind, but priesthood like everything good, gets hijacked by the bad. How come? I think God has to protect us against that
: : : The only bad thing is that the system somehow protected these bad guys by transfering them to other places , to continue with their crimes.
: : : System sent them to prison, church, which is embassy of God on the Earth, tried to protect them. Do you see the difference?Oh, when i said the system, i meant the church. i am not protecting them in any way for trying to cover up for the guys What I'm trying to say, that religion is not capable to prevent people commit crime. That's for sure!!!
: : If all people follow the basic rules like "Thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultery, lie..etc", then there will be no criminals!!
: You are missing my point complitely! Accordung to any religions, people from Temples (priests, rabbies,mollahs whoever) are God embassodors on the Earth. So if they, God servers on the Easrth,do not "follow the basic rules like "Thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultery, lie..etc" why other people have to? They have to be punishemt by God first but they are not! So ...?????[/blue]
:Oh! God is actually punishing these pervets because they get caught and are embarassed, sent to jail and ejected from the service! In any way, you know about their crimes coz they were caught, so its God's power that results in them being exposed, whilst the good continue with the service.

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: : : So the States is made up of hipocrites, the bank notes you use have an inscription that has something to do in trusting God, and it explicitly states 'WE', so who is this 'we'? And you use that money lionb, dont you? Your leaders also use the bible when they take the oath of office!! What do you say to that?



i think the oath stuff is just tradtion now. same as british judges wearng wigs. some may take it seriously, some may not. i know it would not stop me from perjury if it was going to help me not to go to prison. although it depends on the crime i suppose. lets say if i killed a kid drink driving... i would accept prison... but something like corporate fraud. no way.. i would lie lie lie.





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: : : : So the States is made up of hipocrites, the bank notes you use have an inscription that has something to do in trusting God, and it explicitly states 'WE', so who is this 'we'? And you use that money lionb, dont you? Your leaders also use the bible when they take the oath of office!! What do you say to that?
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Nick Leeson is my hero

I saw him in York once. Cool guy.





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Oh please spare me. You think the average Joe on the street cares what's printed on the money? And for that matter, you think the average Joe has any control over what gets printed on the money? I'll have you know that the official motto of the USA is (or was, can't remember if it's official changed) "E pluribus unum" which means "from many, one". The fact that "In God We Trust" is printed or stamped on our currency is all thanks to one particular Treasury secretary who replaced E pluribus unum with it. Since there is no other "legal tender" commonly accepted in the USA, how else am I supposed to do business? If that makes me a hypocrite in your opininon then you are seriously confused.

And you use that money lionb, dont you? Your leaders also use the bible when they take the oath of office!! What do you say to that?

Bible are also used in Courts when witnesses are sworn to tell the truth. At least as long as the witness doesnt object. It's tradition more than anything. It's all supernatural hokum anyways. The only reason to have people put their hand on a Bible when they are swearing an oath to something is to "put the fear of God into them."

Personally I think it should all be done away with. No Bibles in Courts or oaths of office. No prayers to open courts or congresses. No monuments to the Ten Commandments in public facilities (unless they are part of an inclusive display). This country was founded by the rule of law, on the Constitution not the ten commandments or even Christianity.

Christians are always crying about how persecuted they are, but they turn right around and throw their majority around like they own the whole place.


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: : : So the States is made up of hipocrites, the bank notes you use have an inscription that has something to do in trusting God, and it explicitly states 'WE', so who is this 'we'?
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: Oh please spare me. You think the average Joe on the street cares what's printed on the money? And for that matter, you think the average Joe has any control over what gets printed on the money? I'll have you know that the official motto of the USA is (or was, can't remember if it's official changed) "E pluribus unum" which means "from many, one". The fact that "In God We Trust" is printed or stamped on our currency is all thanks to one particular Treasury secretary who replaced E pluribus unum with it. Since there is no other "legal tender" commonly accepted in the USA, how else am I supposed to do business? If that makes me a hypocrite in your opininon then you are seriously confused.
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I am not peddling any religion here, i only want to highlight how good things are tarnished by the bad, who to the outside look like they are part of the whole institution.

: : But you have to agree with me that christian princile, if not abused will mean a more peaceful world.

Interesting that you must qualify that with "if not abused". I can say without such qualification that if everyone followed Buddhist principles the world would be peaceful.


: I am not peddling any religion here, i only want to highlight how good things are tarnished by the bad, who to the outside look like they are part of the whole institution.

Of course. That's typical of humans.


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: If you ask me, i will suggest these guys turn to God and follow the commandments.

Oh yeah, that's real effective.


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